BOE members ask to add elementary schools to Woodward, Crown, Damascus boundary studies

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

The PP was correct. Many were created at a time when redlining was popular and were made to keep the poor out of affluent boundaries. Just take a look at Wootton's boundary. The school is in a far corner. It even has a disjoint island and most of the residents live closer to other HS. Sure, after 40+ years the impact of that boundary is probably different than its original intent to segregate but it really makes no sense.

When Churchill boundary is right next to Wootton high school and Richard Montgomery HS is also close by, there is not much area left to Wootton to be close. Just look at the boundary map, you’ll understand wootton HS being in the corner of its boundary is unavoidable no matter how to redistrict.

It's because the southwestern part of the county has to be sent north or east to one of the high schools (only Poolesville is to the west). So you ended up with the River Road-adjacent neighborhoods being divided between Northwest, Wootton, Churchill and Whitman.

These high schools were built too close together so some of them will have to end up being in the far corner of their boundaries. Gaithersburg HS is also in its far corner. Now building crown HS so close to both Gaithersburg and Wootton will only make boundaries look even more wacky.

In addition to the inevitable wacky HS boundaries, I cannot understand how this is going to play out without MS utilization getting totally screwed up. It makes sense in terms of HS boundaries to pull northern Wootton feeders into Crown, but doing so is going to make middle school utilization far worse, because Frost and/or CJ would become more underutilized while whichever MS those kids go to will become immediately overcrowded.

MCPS really should have planned a new middle school to give themselves more flexibility.

They don't necessarily have to change the MS assignments. Crown could end up with several split articulated middle schools feeding to it

Agree.

Crown will have a student capacity of 2,219. Hopefully they won't try to fill to capacity immediately and leaving it at 90% would make sense to accommodate +/- variations.

A minimum of 1,403 students to reduce overcrowding is expected - 478 QO, 373 NW, 368 RM, and 184 Gaithersburg projected in the CIP for overcapacity. All of those schools are in the Top-10 overcrowded County High Schools. That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The projection of overcrowding from last year’s CIP was significantly higher. I remember QO has 600+, RM400+, Gaithersburg 300+, Northwest 300+. Is the enrollment down? Maybe there isn’t much overcrowding in a few years if the trend continues.
I also recall they plan to build a magnet program in crown, which would take about 400 slots (100 per year).

Check CIP '25 Appendix E (https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/cipmaster/). If they're using a different document, please post the link since someone may be fudging the numbers in their own favor. If that's happening MCPS and the BOE need to be called out on it. Putting a Magnet at Crown would make sense, since it will help deflect recent criticism of their "two corners Magnet" approach and provide more accessibility. It also fits nicely with the 594 capacity number. It's a good move actually so kudo's to whomever came up with it?

Just check 24 CIP, the overcrowding projection of each school is higher.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

That post makes no sense as he predicts 40% of wootton students moving to crown.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

That post makes no sense as he predicts 40% of wootton students moving to crown.

Unless Wootton pulls from Gaithersburg or RM HS.. that's why it's listed as "likely" but not a certainty. I think it will depend on how many kids are pulled from Lakelands?

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

The PP was correct. Many were created at a time when redlining was popular and were made to keep the poor out of affluent boundaries. Just take a look at Wootton's boundary. The school is in a far corner. It even has a disjoint island and most of the residents live closer to other HS. Sure, after 40+ years the impact of that boundary is probably different than its original intent to segregate but it really makes no sense.

When Churchill boundary is right next to Wootton high school and Richard Montgomery HS is also close by, there is not much area left to Wootton to be close. Just look at the boundary map, you’ll understand wootton HS being in the corner of its boundary is unavoidable no matter how to redistrict.

It's because the southwestern part of the county has to be sent north or east to one of the high schools (only Poolesville is to the west). So you ended up with the River Road-adjacent neighborhoods being divided between Northwest, Wootton, Churchill and Whitman.

These high schools were built too close together so some of them will have to end up being in the far corner of their boundaries. Gaithersburg HS is also in its far corner. Now building crown HS so close to both Gaithersburg and Wootton will only make boundaries look even more wacky.

In addition to the inevitable wacky HS boundaries, I cannot understand how this is going to play out without MS utilization getting totally screwed up. It makes sense in terms of HS boundaries to pull northern Wootton feeders into Crown, but doing so is going to make middle school utilization far worse, because Frost and/or CJ would become more underutilized while whichever MS those kids go to will become immediately overcrowded.

MCPS really should have planned a new middle school to give themselves more flexibility.

They don't necessarily have to change the MS assignments. Crown could end up with several split articulated middle schools feeding to it

Agree.

Crown will have a student capacity of 2,219. Hopefully they won't try to fill to capacity immediately and leaving it at 90% would make sense to accommodate +/- variations.

A minimum of 1,403 students to reduce overcrowding is expected - 478 QO, 373 NW, 368 RM, and 184 Gaithersburg projected in the CIP for overcapacity. All of those schools are in the Top-10 overcrowded County High Schools. That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The projection of overcrowding from last year’s CIP was significantly higher. I remember QO has 600+, RM400+, Gaithersburg 300+, Northwest 300+. Is the enrollment down? Maybe there isn’t much overcrowding in a few years if the trend continues.
I also recall they plan to build a magnet program in crown, which would take about 400 slots (100 per year).

Check CIP '25 Appendix E (https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/cipmaster/). If they're using a different document, please post the link since someone may be fudging the numbers in their own favor. If that's happening MCPS and the BOE need to be called out on it. Putting a Magnet at Crown would make sense, since it will help deflect recent criticism of their "two corners Magnet" approach and provide more accessibility. It also fits nicely with the 594 capacity number. It's a good move actually so kudo's to whomever came up with it?

Just check 24 CIP, the overcrowding projection of each school is higher.

Yeah, the 24, is 24 and not sure why they would use old data. The 25 is what they should be using for planning or something is really wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

The PP was correct. Many were created at a time when redlining was popular and were made to keep the poor out of affluent boundaries. Just take a look at Wootton's boundary. The school is in a far corner. It even has a disjoint island and most of the residents live closer to other HS. Sure, after 40+ years the impact of that boundary is probably different than its original intent to segregate but it really makes no sense.

When Churchill boundary is right next to Wootton high school and Richard Montgomery HS is also close by, there is not much area left to Wootton to be close. Just look at the boundary map, you’ll understand wootton HS being in the corner of its boundary is unavoidable no matter how to redistrict.

It's because the southwestern part of the county has to be sent north or east to one of the high schools (only Poolesville is to the west). So you ended up with the River Road-adjacent neighborhoods being divided between Northwest, Wootton, Churchill and Whitman.

These high schools were built too close together so some of them will have to end up being in the far corner of their boundaries. Gaithersburg HS is also in its far corner. Now building crown HS so close to both Gaithersburg and Wootton will only make boundaries look even more wacky.

In addition to the inevitable wacky HS boundaries, I cannot understand how this is going to play out without MS utilization getting totally screwed up. It makes sense in terms of HS boundaries to pull northern Wootton feeders into Crown, but doing so is going to make middle school utilization far worse, because Frost and/or CJ would become more underutilized while whichever MS those kids go to will become immediately overcrowded.

MCPS really should have planned a new middle school to give themselves more flexibility.

They don't necessarily have to change the MS assignments. Crown could end up with several split articulated middle schools feeding to it

Agree.

Crown will have a student capacity of 2,219. Hopefully they won't try to fill to capacity immediately and leaving it at 90% would make sense to accommodate +/- variations.

A minimum of 1,403 students to reduce overcrowding is expected - 478 QO, 373 NW, 368 RM, and 184 Gaithersburg projected in the CIP for overcapacity. All of those schools are in the Top-10 overcrowded County High Schools. That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The projection of overcrowding from last year’s CIP was significantly higher. I remember QO has 600+, RM400+, Gaithersburg 300+, Northwest 300+. Is the enrollment down? Maybe there isn’t much overcrowding in a few years if the trend continues.
I also recall they plan to build a magnet program in crown, which would take about 400 slots (100 per year).

Check CIP '25 Appendix E (https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/cipmaster/). If they're using a different document, please post the link since someone may be fudging the numbers in their own favor. If that's happening MCPS and the BOE need to be called out on it. Putting a Magnet at Crown would make sense, since it will help deflect recent criticism of their "two corners Magnet" approach and provide more accessibility. It also fits nicely with the 594 capacity number. It's a good move actually so kudo's to whomever came up with it?

Just check 24 CIP, the overcrowding projection of each school is higher.

Yeah, the 24, is 24 and not sure why they would use old data. The 25 is what they should be using for planning or something is really wrong.

They're likely going to be using the 27 CIP, which will be released two years from now. Who knows what those numbers will show?

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Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Where is No 4?

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

The PP was correct. Many were created at a time when redlining was popular and were made to keep the poor out of affluent boundaries. Just take a look at Wootton's boundary. The school is in a far corner. It even has a disjoint island and most of the residents live closer to other HS. Sure, after 40+ years the impact of that boundary is probably different than its original intent to segregate but it really makes no sense.

When Churchill boundary is right next to Wootton high school and Richard Montgomery HS is also close by, there is not much area left to Wootton to be close. Just look at the boundary map, you’ll understand wootton HS being in the corner of its boundary is unavoidable no matter how to redistrict.

It's because the southwestern part of the county has to be sent north or east to one of the high schools (only Poolesville is to the west). So you ended up with the River Road-adjacent neighborhoods being divided between Northwest, Wootton, Churchill and Whitman.

These high schools were built too close together so some of them will have to end up being in the far corner of their boundaries. Gaithersburg HS is also in its far corner. Now building crown HS so close to both Gaithersburg and Wootton will only make boundaries look even more wacky.

In addition to the inevitable wacky HS boundaries, I cannot understand how this is going to play out without MS utilization getting totally screwed up. It makes sense in terms of HS boundaries to pull northern Wootton feeders into Crown, but doing so is going to make middle school utilization far worse, because Frost and/or CJ would become more underutilized while whichever MS those kids go to will become immediately overcrowded.

MCPS really should have planned a new middle school to give themselves more flexibility.

They don't necessarily have to change the MS assignments. Crown could end up with several split articulated middle schools feeding to it

Agree.

Crown will have a student capacity of 2,219. Hopefully they won't try to fill to capacity immediately and leaving it at 90% would make sense to accommodate +/- variations.

A minimum of 1,403 students to reduce overcrowding is expected - 478 QO, 373 NW, 368 RM, and 184 Gaithersburg projected in the CIP for overcapacity. All of those schools are in the Top-10 overcrowded County High Schools. That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The projection of overcrowding from last year’s CIP was significantly higher. I remember QO has 600+, RM400+, Gaithersburg 300+, Northwest 300+. Is the enrollment down? Maybe there isn’t much overcrowding in a few years if the trend continues.
I also recall they plan to build a magnet program in crown, which would take about 400 slots (100 per year).

Check CIP '25 Appendix E (https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/cipmaster/). If they're using a different document, please post the link since someone may be fudging the numbers in their own favor. If that's happening MCPS and the BOE need to be called out on it. Putting a Magnet at Crown would make sense, since it will help deflect recent criticism of their "two corners Magnet" approach and provide more accessibility. It also fits nicely with the 594 capacity number. It's a good move actually so kudo's to whomever came up with it?

Just check 24 CIP, the overcrowding projection of each school is higher.

Yeah, the 24, is 24 and not sure why they would use old data. The 25 is what they should be using for planning or something is really wrong.

They're likely going to be using the 27 CIP, which will be released two years from now. Who knows what those numbers will show?

There are a few construction developments currently being finalized, but they're already being built in the locations I put into the list. If anything, it's expected and should reinforce pulling more students from those areas. Other than that, if the numbers do fluctuate excessively, I would definitely question the changes and dig deeply into the numbers as to how they were generated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Northern portion of cabin John MS (Stone Mill) will be like 400-500 students. No way wootton can lose both stone mill and travillah. Where can they pull 700-800 kids from to fill Wootton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

That poster seems to focus on moving Wootton kids to crown but not addressing the real overcrowding of QO, RM, Gaithersburg and Northwest. Wootton is the only one not overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Where is No 4?

- #4 (Slam Dunk #4) - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS): There is a Frost MS triangle is right at the intersection of 270 and 370, north of Fields Road. These are mostly apartments and a high-rise across the street from Rio.

- #5 Ridgeview MS (under Fields Road ES). These are mostly new housing developments. There's a very large apartment construction currently being finished off here.

- #7 (50/50 #4) - Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) . Lakeland Parks MS (under Brown Station ES). The small triangle bounded by Muddy Branch stream - Governor Square Apartments. This is a really rough area, btw with frequent crime issues, imho.

- # 8 (50/50 #6) - a lot of ways to slice this one. Travilah is somewhat of a wildcard. It depends on who wins the politics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Northern portion of cabin John MS (Stone Mill) will be like 400-500 students. No way wootton can lose both stone mill and travillah. Where can they pull 700-800 kids from to fill Wootton?

That's why I think it may be CJMS/Stone Mill -OR- Travilah. There are just too many kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

PP here, thanks, that makes it more clear. Except I think 1 and 4 in `slam dunks` are the same group, no?

And just so I understand, you're saying the CJMS-zoned northern areas would be rezoned to Crown-feeding middle schools, and that CJMS would be backfilled by areas that currently feed to Churchill and Churchill-feeding middle schools?

And just to clarify, you believe it would only be likely for Crown walkers and CJMS-zoned Wootton schools to flip to Crown?

That poster seems to focus on moving Wootton kids to crown but not addressing the real overcrowding of QO, RM, Gaithersburg and Northwest. Wootton is the only one not overcrowded.

Huh? Reading comprehension is off. Read the difference between Slam Dunk and others, then come back and comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That leaves 816 (100% day-1 utilization) to 594 (90% utilization) slots to pull.

My guess is MCPS needs to pull students into Crown from:
- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south.
- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk due to RM overcrowding and that it's very close
- West and North portions of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students
- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it's walkers
- Eastern portion of Ridgeview MS (Quince Orchard HS) - likely due to school proximity
- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - this one I think is a slam dunk since it reduces overcrowding at two schools

The northern portion of CJMS and Travilah alone probably contribute 700+ students, and your list doesn't seem to mention the kids in downtown Crown that are zoned to Fallsmead and Wootton. In total, this list looks like it constitutes several times more than the seats they need to fill, unless I am misunderstanding.

Also I wasn't sure what you meant by "I think Travillah will move to Crown so Frost can pick up adjacent students", could you explain?

You're correct about Fallsmead (Wootton HS). I typed this up too quickly and didn't include the nuances.

SLAM DUNKS (all students moved):
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers)
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Slam dunk (Walkers, Top-10 RM overcrowding).
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). Slam dunk (Walkers, small group)
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Slam dunk (Walkers, reduces a Top-10)

LIKELY (all students moved):
6- Northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS) - Churchill also needs to shed 157 students, so the losses at Wootton (which isn't projected to be overcrowded) will probably absorb some of those students and Wootton boundaries would shift south. This would help normalize the CJMS boundary issue.

50/50 (the 'it depends' group, some students moved, based on numbers):
4- Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. The question is "how many". NW - either the Darnestown or Diamond ES portions; but likely not both.
6- West portion (Travilah) of Frost MS (Wootton HS) - I think Travillah could move to Crown or QO, depending on how many students are taken from Lakeland Parks MS and CJMS. If that happened, Frost (if included) would need to be redrawn to pick up adjacent students from RM into Wootton.

Not saying all students would be moved - I'm saying these are the most logical pull zones to meet CIP numbers. If the BOE or MCPS pulled from other locations, recommend that parents ask a lot of questions and see what the backstory is.

Northern portion of cabin John MS (Stone Mill) will be like 400-500 students. No way wootton can lose both stone mill and travillah. Where can they pull 700-800 kids from to fill Wootton?

That's why I think it may be CJMS/Stone Mill -OR- Travilah. There are just too many kids.

You missed Dufief. I personally think Dufief is more likely to be rezoned than Travillah. There was discussion about rezoning part of Rachel Carson to Dufief before but it was postponed because the Dufief renovation project was postponed. Dufief is also closer to crown.