BOE members ask to add elementary schools to Woodward, Crown, Damascus boundary studies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In MCPS, please excuse my lack of knowledge. Do all kids in one ES move to same MS, same for all kids in one MS move to same HS? It seems like I hear that all kids in one MS can split and go to 2 or 3 different HS based on their home address on this forum, true?

Wherever possible, MCPS tries to move 1 ES to to 1 MS, 1 MS to 1 HS. It is not always possible, and sometimes you need to split 1 ES to 2 MS, for example. This is called split articulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

If MCPS wants to put diversity as the top factor, then stone mill has a high odd to be moved as it has 50% Asians. Otherwise, wootton is more than 200 seats under enrollment. Moving Rio to crown would open up more seats in Wootton. So it makes no sense to move any wootton parts out except Rio.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

If MCPS wants to put diversity as the top factor, then stone mill has a high odd to be moved as it has 50% Asians. Otherwise, wootton is more than 200 seats under enrollment. Moving Rio to crown would open up more seats in Wootton. So it makes no sense to move any wootton parts out except Rio.

When MCPS is factoring diversity, they are not looking at Asians. They do not care about the number of Asians either way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

If MCPS wants to put diversity as the top factor, then stone mill has a high odd to be moved as it has 50% Asians. Otherwise, wootton is more than 200 seats under enrollment. Moving Rio to crown would open up more seats in Wootton. So it makes no sense to move any wootton parts out except Rio.

When MCPS is factoring diversity, they are not looking at Asians. They do not care about the number of Asians either way.

Of course they do. Wootton is being looked as not diverse because about 40-50% are Asians (or aka not enough AAs and Hispanics). Pulling stone mill away will make it more diverse.

[Anonymous]

For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

I think there is likehood of college garden moving to Gaithersburg then rosemont (or other Gaithersburg ES) to crown. That would increase diversity of all schools. Moving Ritchie park back to Wootton is counterproductive for balancing diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

If MCPS wants to put diversity as the top factor, then stone mill has a high odd to be moved as it has 50% Asians. Otherwise, wootton is more than 200 seats under enrollment. Moving Rio to crown would open up more seats in Wootton. So it makes no sense to move any wootton parts out except Rio.

When MCPS is factoring diversity, they are not looking at Asians. They do not care about the number of Asians either way.

Of course they do. Wootton is being looked as not diverse because about 40-50% are Asians (or aka not enough AAs and Hispanics). Pulling stone mill away will make it more diverse.

What PP meant is that MCPS counts Asians as white (not kidding) which is what I think you're saying as well. That's offensive but not as offensive as having 2 bins: cares about education and doesn't care about education which is at the heart of the diversity argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.

Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

[Anonymous]

Crown has a projected capacity of 2200.

WALKERS (How many is this?):
There used to be an interactive planning tool where it was possible to determine the number of students within this boundary? I don't know how many children this actually is.
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS).
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Helps reduce a Top-10.
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Helps reduce a Top-10.
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). A smaller group.
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Reduces a Top-10.

AFTER WALKERS CAPACITY ISSUES TO SOLVE:
#1 - Quince Orchard HS -478. SOLUTION: Pull from both:
(A) Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. Feeds ~ 350-400 HS students per year into QO.
(B) Ridgeview MS (QO HS). Feeds ~ 250-300 HS students per year into QO. May not be necessary to pull from - depends on exact # pulled from Lakelands Parks MS.
#2 - Northwest HS -383. SOLUTION: Just pull from Lakeland Parks MS until both QO and NW numbers balance out.

Once you get to this point, there isn't that much capacity left, so I think Gaithersburg, College Gardens and Rosemont are off the table.

#3 - Richard Montgomery HS -368. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers and Richie Park, omit from the study.
(A) Magruder HS can take 194 students.
(B) Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS.
#4 - Gaithersburg HS -184. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers, omit from the study.
(A) College Gardens ES / Rosemont ES is under Gaithersburg HS. Gaithersburg HS is adjacent Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY ISSUES:
In moving the northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS), CJMS would likely lose about 400 to 500 MS students.
Ridgeview MS (178), Hoover MS (107), Lakelands MS (80) currently has 365 Middle School slots excess capacity.
OPTION A: CJMS can regain up to 350 students (500 - 157 Churchill overcapacity) by shifting Frost and Hoover MS boundaries (to backfill CJMS). In turn, Hoover and Frost can absorb the remaining 150 CJMS students.
OPTION B: CJMS pulls a smaller amount from north, and the remainder from the east (WJ overcapacity is projected at 692, but Woodward should correct this?).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have friends with home that are bus zoned to stone mill ES, cabin john MS and wotton HS. They hope that they won't be affected but their houses are far away from all schools like 30 min walking to stone mill, 1.5 hr walking to cabin john MS and 2 plus hrs walking to wotton HS. That's why bus services are provided. Crown HS is an hour away walking from their home.There is a chance that they may be rezoned, right?

There is a chance. People are discussing the possibility of that region in the last few pages. Nobody knows what the odds are.

If MCPS wants to put diversity as the top factor, then stone mill has a high odd to be moved as it has 50% Asians. Otherwise, wootton is more than 200 seats under enrollment. Moving Rio to crown would open up more seats in Wootton. So it makes no sense to move any wootton parts out except Rio.

When MCPS is factoring diversity, they are not looking at Asians. They do not care about the number of Asians either way.

Of course they do. Wootton is being looked as not diverse because about 40-50% are Asians (or aka not enough AAs and Hispanics). Pulling stone mill away will make it more diverse.

What PP meant is that MCPS counts Asians as white (not kidding) which is what I think you're saying as well. That's offensive but not as offensive as having 2 bins: cares about education and doesn't care about education which is at the heart of the diversity argument.

OMG that's sooooooooo racist!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crown has a projected capacity of 2200.

WALKERS (How many is this?):
There used to be an interactive planning tool where it was possible to determine the number of students within this boundary? I don't know how many children this actually is.
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS).
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Helps reduce a Top-10.
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Helps reduce a Top-10.
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). A smaller group.
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Reduces a Top-10.

AFTER WALKERS CAPACITY ISSUES TO SOLVE:
#1 - Quince Orchard HS -478. SOLUTION: Pull from both:
(A) Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. Feeds ~ 350-400 HS students per year into QO.
(B) Ridgeview MS (QO HS). Feeds ~ 250-300 HS students per year into QO. May not be necessary to pull from - depends on exact # pulled from Lakelands Parks MS.
#2 - Northwest HS -383. SOLUTION: Just pull from Lakeland Parks MS until both QO and NW numbers balance out.

Once you get to this point, there isn't that much capacity left, so I think Gaithersburg, College Gardens and Rosemont are off the table.

#3 - Richard Montgomery HS -368. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers and Richie Park, omit from the study.
(A) Magruder HS can take 194 students.
(B) Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS.
#4 - Gaithersburg HS -184. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers, omit from the study.
(A) College Gardens ES / Rosemont ES is under Gaithersburg HS. Gaithersburg HS is adjacent Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY ISSUES:
In moving the northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS), CJMS would likely lose about 400 to 500 MS students.
Ridgeview MS (178), Hoover MS (107), Lakelands MS (80) currently has 365 Middle School slots excess capacity.
OPTION A: CJMS can regain up to 350 students (500 - 157 Churchill overcapacity) by shifting Frost and Hoover MS boundaries (to backfill CJMS). In turn, Hoover and Frost can absorb the remaining 150 CJMS students.
OPTION B: CJMS pulls a smaller amount from north, and the remainder from the east (WJ overcapacity is projected at 692, but Woodward should correct this?).

Neither Magruder nor Watkins Mill have been proposed for inclusion in the study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crown has a projected capacity of 2200.

WALKERS (How many is this?):
There used to be an interactive planning tool where it was possible to determine the number of students within this boundary? I don't know how many children this actually is.
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS).
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Helps reduce a Top-10.
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Helps reduce a Top-10.
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). A smaller group.
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Reduces a Top-10.

AFTER WALKERS CAPACITY ISSUES TO SOLVE:
#1 - Quince Orchard HS -478. SOLUTION: Pull from both:
(A) Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. Feeds ~ 350-400 HS students per year into QO.
(B) Ridgeview MS (QO HS). Feeds ~ 250-300 HS students per year into QO. May not be necessary to pull from - depends on exact # pulled from Lakelands Parks MS.
#2 - Northwest HS -383. SOLUTION: Just pull from Lakeland Parks MS until both QO and NW numbers balance out.

Once you get to this point, there isn't that much capacity left, so I think Gaithersburg, College Gardens and Rosemont are off the table.

#3 - Richard Montgomery HS -368. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers and Richie Park, omit from the study.
(A) Magruder HS can take 194 students.
(B) Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS.
#4 - Gaithersburg HS -184. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers, omit from the study.
(A) College Gardens ES / Rosemont ES is under Gaithersburg HS. Gaithersburg HS is adjacent Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY ISSUES:
In moving the northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS), CJMS would likely lose about 400 to 500 MS students.
Ridgeview MS (178), Hoover MS (107), Lakelands MS (80) currently has 365 Middle School slots excess capacity.
OPTION A: CJMS can regain up to 350 students (500 - 157 Churchill overcapacity) by shifting Frost and Hoover MS boundaries (to backfill CJMS). In turn, Hoover and Frost can absorb the remaining 150 CJMS students.
OPTION B: CJMS pulls a smaller amount from north, and the remainder from the east (WJ overcapacity is projected at 692, but Woodward should correct this?).

A lot of wishful thinking there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crown has a projected capacity of 2200.

WALKERS (How many is this?):
There used to be an interactive planning tool where it was possible to determine the number of students within this boundary? I don't know how many children this actually is.
1- Rio portion of Fallsmead (Wootton HS).
2- West boundary of Forest Oak MS (Gaithersburg HS). Helps reduce a Top-10.
3- West of 270 portion of Julius West MS (Richard Montgomery HS) - Key West / Research Blvd area. Helps reduce a Top-10.
4 - A small triangle from Frost MS (Wootton HS). A smaller group.
5 - Ridgeview MS / QO - Fields Road ES portion. Reduces a Top-10.

AFTER WALKERS CAPACITY ISSUES TO SOLVE:
#1 - Quince Orchard HS -478. SOLUTION: Pull from both:
(A) Lakeland Parks MS (both QO and Northwest HS) - Reduces overcrowding at two Top-10 overcrowded schools. Feeds ~ 350-400 HS students per year into QO.
(B) Ridgeview MS (QO HS). Feeds ~ 250-300 HS students per year into QO. May not be necessary to pull from - depends on exact # pulled from Lakelands Parks MS.
#2 - Northwest HS -383. SOLUTION: Just pull from Lakeland Parks MS until both QO and NW numbers balance out.

Once you get to this point, there isn't that much capacity left, so I think Gaithersburg, College Gardens and Rosemont are off the table.

#3 - Richard Montgomery HS -368. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers and Richie Park, omit from the study.
(A) Magruder HS can take 194 students.
(B) Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS.
#4 - Gaithersburg HS -184. SOLUTION: Excluding walkers, omit from the study.
(A) College Gardens ES / Rosemont ES is under Gaithersburg HS. Gaithersburg HS is adjacent Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

MIDDLE SCHOOL CAPACITY ISSUES:
In moving the northern portions of Cabin John MS (Wootton HS), CJMS would likely lose about 400 to 500 MS students.
Ridgeview MS (178), Hoover MS (107), Lakelands MS (80) currently has 365 Middle School slots excess capacity.
OPTION A: CJMS can regain up to 350 students (500 - 157 Churchill overcapacity) by shifting Frost and Hoover MS boundaries (to backfill CJMS). In turn, Hoover and Frost can absorb the remaining 150 CJMS students.
OPTION B: CJMS pulls a smaller amount from north, and the remainder from the east (WJ overcapacity is projected at 692, but Woodward should correct this?).

Cabin John cannot gain students from Robert frost unless you make fallsmead kids (walkers to Robert frost) be bused to cabin John, which is impossible. Moving lakewood or travillah or Dufief to cabin John makes no sense either as it’s basically just swapping stone mill with them and still makes Cabin John boundary wacky.