BOE members ask to add elementary schools to Woodward, Crown, Damascus boundary studies

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry they can pull from both Frost and Hoover MS. Both are under capacity, so would need to pull from elsewhere?

They'll pull from wherever they need to to make the schools more diverse.

Please, pull from JWMS. It's a huge school, and getting bigger.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

Agreed they are closer, it will just take quite a lot of shuffling to fit 500 kids into one of them. Assuming they are going to avoid split articulation since they said they are trying to avoid it in the above video.

They may try to avoid it, but I don't think they will succeed in avoiding it, at least not in all cases.

If they end up including ES boundaries in the study, then they will have more options that avoid split articulations.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

They can actually do whatever they want. The policy requires the Superintendent to consider and balance the four factors. Her recommendation doesn't even have to advance all of them. It would be consistent with the policy to have a recommendation that does not advance diversity, if that can't be balanced with capacity and geographical considerations.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

They can actually do whatever they want. The policy requires the Superintendent to consider and balance the four factors. Her recommendation doesn't even have to advance all of them. It would be consistent with the policy to have a recommendation that does not advance diversity, if that can't be balanced with capacity and geographical considerations.

Please don't engage with the troll from 2018.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

They can actually do whatever they want. The policy requires the Superintendent to consider and balance the four factors. Her recommendation doesn't even have to advance all of them. It would be consistent with the policy to have a recommendation that does not advance diversity, if that can't be balanced with capacity and geographical considerations.

Do you honestly think Equity MvcKnight isn't going to pick the most progressive option that buses the most number of kids? Come on man.

If that's what you believe then it doesn't matter what the policy says so can you stop rambling on incoherently about it please?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry they can pull from both Frost and Hoover MS. Both are under capacity, so would need to pull from elsewhere?

They'll pull from wherever they need to to make the schools more diverse.

Only if they're idiots.

And no, no one will be pushing students into Gaithersburg HS. It's one of the schools that needs to shed nearly 200 students, but that's fine since many will come as walkers to Crown. My guess is QO, NW, some Gaithersburg will primarily feed Crown. RM will flip students to Wootton and the Northern parts of CJMS/Wootton will flip into Crown. This is the only way MCPS can really go without setting off a firestorm.

This is the CIP document. You'll see what schools are critical to reallocate as soon as possible. There's no way anyone will be shifting students towards QO or NW or Gaithersburg, which means Crown must pick up that tab. The upper part of CJMS could float up to Crown, but if that happens it will wreak havoc on the numbers in the MS and ES between there and Ridgeview and you'll have a ton of lawyers.. cough.. I mean parents, involved.

Utilization
Walter Johnson HS -692
Montgomery Blair HS -586
Quince Orchard HS -478
Wheaton HS -474
Clarksburg HS -455
Albert Einstein HS -443
Northwest HS -383
Richard Montgomery HS -368
Gaithersburg HS -184
Winston Churchill HS -157
Argyle MS -147
Arcola ES -141
Flower Valley ES -123
John T. Baker MS -114
Thurgood Marshall ES -107
Lake Seneca ES -106
Burning Tree ES -104
Oak View ES -104

Another issue is when they built Crown, MC was short-sighted and didn't insist on building a MS along with the HS. This doesn't include the issues with the older schools that are crumbling. If MCPS continues to waste money thinking they'll "bus for equity" instead of fixing these issues, it's just a matter of time before some serious incident happens from neglect / negligence. Of course, MCPS believes their bottomless attorney fund will protect them. That is, until they go too far one day and someone higher up shuts off the sugar to leave them to fend for themselves after a bad news article hits. It's easy to win a case when you sink 11M, but much harder when you're flying Economy. If the neglect involves asbestos, I would think that could open them up to criminal neglect charges as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry they can pull from both Frost and Hoover MS. Both are under capacity, so would need to pull from elsewhere?

They'll pull from wherever they need to to make the schools more diverse.

Only if they're idiots.

And no, no one will be pushing students into Gaithersburg HS. It's one of the schools that needs to shed nearly 200 students, but that's fine since many will come as walkers to Crown. My guess is QO, NW, some Gaithersburg will primarily feed Crown. RM will flip students to Wootton and the Northern parts of CJMS/Wootton will flip into Crown. This is the only way MCPS can really go without setting off a firestorm.

This is the CIP document. You'll see what schools are critical to reallocate as soon as possible. There's no way anyone will be shifting students towards QO or NW or Gaithersburg, which means Crown must pick up that tab. The upper part of CJMS could float up to Crown, but if that happens it will wreak havoc on the numbers in the MS and ES between there and Ridgeview and you'll have a ton of lawyers.. cough.. I mean parents, involved.

Utilization
Walter Johnson HS -692
Montgomery Blair HS -586
Quince Orchard HS -478
Wheaton HS -474
Clarksburg HS -455
Albert Einstein HS -443
Northwest HS -383
Richard Montgomery HS -368
Gaithersburg HS -184
Winston Churchill HS -157
Argyle MS -147
Arcola ES -141
Flower Valley ES -123
John T. Baker MS -114
Thurgood Marshall ES -107
Lake Seneca ES -106
Burning Tree ES -104
Oak View ES -104

Another issue is when they built Crown, MC was short-sighted and didn't insist on building a MS along with the HS. This doesn't include the issues with the older schools that are crumbling. If MCPS continues to waste money thinking they'll "bus for equity" instead of fixing these issues, it's just a matter of time before some serious incident happens from neglect / negligence. Of course, MCPS believes their bottomless attorney fund will protect them. That is, until they go too far one day and someone higher up shuts off the sugar to leave them to fend for themselves after a bad news article hits. It's easy to win a case when you sink 11M, but much harder when you're flying Economy. If the neglect involves asbestos, I would think that could open them up to criminal neglect charges as well?

You're making too much sense. There's no chance MCPS will do any of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry they can pull from both Frost and Hoover MS. Both are under capacity, so would need to pull from elsewhere?

They'll pull from wherever they need to to make the schools more diverse.

Only if they're idiots.

And no, no one will be pushing students into Gaithersburg HS. It's one of the schools that needs to shed nearly 200 students, but that's fine since many will come as walkers to Crown. My guess is QO, NW, some Gaithersburg will primarily feed Crown. RM will flip students to Wootton and the Northern parts of CJMS/Wootton will flip into Crown. This is the only way MCPS can really go without setting off a firestorm.

This is the CIP document. You'll see what schools are critical to reallocate as soon as possible. There's no way anyone will be shifting students towards QO or NW or Gaithersburg, which means Crown must pick up that tab. The upper part of CJMS could float up to Crown, but if that happens it will wreak havoc on the numbers in the MS and ES between there and Ridgeview and you'll have a ton of lawyers.. cough.. I mean parents, involved.

Utilization
Walter Johnson HS -692
Montgomery Blair HS -586
Quince Orchard HS -478
Wheaton HS -474
Clarksburg HS -455
Albert Einstein HS -443
Northwest HS -383
Richard Montgomery HS -368
Gaithersburg HS -184
Winston Churchill HS -157
Argyle MS -147
Arcola ES -141
Flower Valley ES -123
John T. Baker MS -114
Thurgood Marshall ES -107
Lake Seneca ES -106
Burning Tree ES -104
Oak View ES -104

Another issue is when they built Crown, MC was short-sighted and didn't insist on building a MS along with the HS. This doesn't include the issues with the older schools that are crumbling. If MCPS continues to waste money thinking they'll "bus for equity" instead of fixing these issues, it's just a matter of time before some serious incident happens from neglect / negligence. Of course, MCPS believes their bottomless attorney fund will protect them. That is, until they go too far one day and someone higher up shuts off the sugar to leave them to fend for themselves after a bad news article hits. It's easy to win a case when you sink 11M, but much harder when you're flying Economy. If the neglect involves asbestos, I would think that could open them up to criminal neglect charges as well?

If you flip the northern parts of CJMS/Wootton to Crown, what middle school(s) are they going to be assigned to?

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

Are you saying that money is more important than equity to MCPS? Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be very interesting to see how things are changed up. I am zoned to Cabin John, which is geographically quite far, and ithe school is split between multiple high schools. There are other middle schools that are closer, but they don't seem to have capacity. It will take a lot of shuffling to make some of the weirdly zoned areas make sense.

The Cabin John MS boundaries are bonkers.

https://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/CabinJohnMS.pdf

Lakelands MS and Ridgeview MS are both much closer for those two northernmost islands. One of the benefits of a larger boundary study is the ability to do a lot of shuffling.

And now that the BOE will especially strive to make more diverse schools, who knows where they'll send them?

Even if they go purely based on proximity, that CJMS boundary needs to change. That is one craptastic boundary.

You do know the boundary policy was changed to make that impossible, right?

I know that they still look at proximity.

But they don't have to especially strive to look at proximity like they do diversity. So all the schools in the CJ cluster are in danger of being busted even farther than they are now for diversity.

But, they still have to look at proximity. MCPS doesn't have enough bus drivers to keep busing kids further and further.

They don' have to because many of the existing boundaries are also suboptimal in terms of proximity and created to enforce segregation.

? Seems they were created to force desegregation. Have you seen some of the boundaries?

Anyways, they can't continue to create disjointed boundaries because it will require even *more* bus drivers. They had a hard enough to staffing bus drivers for the existing routes.

The PP was correct. Many were created at a time when redlining was popular and were made to keep the poor out of affluent boundaries. Just take a look at Wootton's boundary. The school is in a far corner. It even has a disjoint island and most of the residents live closer to other HS. Sure, after 40+ years the impact of that boundary is probably different than its original intent to segregate but it really makes no sense.