Georgetown or ND?

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Anonymous wrote:Fascinating the misinformation being shared about ND admissions on this thread. Go to the ND website and learn that the only restriction associated with REA has to do with only Early Decision. A student can apply REA anywhere else. People are confusing REA with SCEA.

I'm just curious and don't have a dog in this fight, but what exactly is the purpose of REA from an institutional standpoint? Like what advantages does it offer the university (or the student, for that matter) vs. SCEA or regular EA? I get SCEA, I get EA, I get ED...but REA as Notre Dame describes it doesn't make sense to me, especially because it seems like very few other schools have it?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in the Midwest and have SEVERAL ND friends, and casually know a few Georgetown people through work.

I'd say both are awesome and extremely expensive and kinda similar. Pick the one where he wants to live after college. If he wants to settle on the East Coast, pick Georgetown. If he wants to settle in the Midwest, pick Notre Dame. Both have super strong networks, but best most advantageous in their own regions

I don't think this is true. I could be wrong, but while I think Georgetown grads do settle in DC area more than most, I think ND grads end up all over. But there are stats on this you can look up. The ND club in nyc is enormous

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Anonymous wrote:Does your kid want to be in a city or in South Bend?

Does your kid care about football culture or not so much?

Is your kid interested in the School of Foriegn Service, which cannot really be replicated at other universities, or more the college, which would have similar academics to other schools?

For those who are basing their perception of surrounding area of ND on 10 or more years ago, it is much different now. Nice walkable urban area with shops, restaurants, and apartments. Chicago is an easy train ride or 2 hour drive away.

https://www.nd.edu/stories/rolling-out-the-welcome-mat/

LOL. That is a great, and misleading picture. I live in the area. ND has exactly 1 bustling street, Eddy Street, and that is the one in the picture. They built this area a few years ago with some nice "off campus" apartments and some good pubs/casual dining. Otherwise, it is a very small town of all Domers. They are such a tight group, because there is really no life there outside of ND. It is a beautiful campus, but does feel rural/small town, except for the fun Eddy Street Commons

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t you apply REA to both? Although if the college office at Prep (I assume) is telling you to pick one, listen to them.

DP. Different school. NO! With restrictive early action, it only allows you to apply EA to PUBLIC universities. You cannot EA at another private university.

100%. You can only REA to one

This is wrong, and an example of why you should not seek advice on this forum.

NP. It’s not wrong. The “R” in REA stands for “restricted.” The restriction is that if you apply REA to a school, you cannot apply early (REA/SCEA/EA/ED) to another private university.

Oh FFS. It's okay to be stubborn when well informed, but ...

From ND Admissions site:

Notre Dame has a non-binding Restrictive Early Action program.

A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may apply to other Early Action programs at either private or public colleges or universities.
A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may not apply to any college or university (private or public) in their binding Early Decision 1 program.
If you apply to Notre Dame through REA, you may apply to any Early Decision 2 program as this has a deadline post our REA decision release in mid-December.

You're really sticking to your guns here, aren't you? You may not apply to two restrictive action programs. Georgetown has the same restriction. You can apply REA to Georgetown and to other EA, but not other REA. You cannot apply REA to both Georgetown and ND.

Again you are wrong. It is determined on whether or not the other REA school has that restriction. ND does not.

Georgetown does. Why are so determined to be right on an anonymous chat board? You're wrong about this, you cannot applly REA to both Georgetown and ND. It's okay. Nobody knows who you are here. Move on.

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We just had this meeting with our HS college counselor. My son cannot apply to GU EA and any other private institution EA (no matter if it's restrictive or not). GU specifically says you can only apply to public Universities EA. That said, my son cannot apply to the Ivy REA and GU EA. He can apply to our state univ EA and Georgetown EA.

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I'd generally consider Georgetown as the slightly better school (the 75% SAT score is usually higher, the acceptance rate is usually somewhat lower despite not being a Common App school, and DC can attract faculty a little better versus South Bend and than what Georgetown might otherwise get). Notre Dame has a lot more $$ endowment wise though, so if aid is an important factor, ND could very well end up being more affordable as they have generous need based aid and more merit aid than Georgetown.
Rankings wise, they are split. Georgetown is one of the few schools in the top 25 across Forbes, WSJ, and USNWR. Notre Dame is slightly higher than Georgetown in USNWR but is 15+ spots lower in the other two. Georgetown also tends to be ranked higher grad school wise in primary areas like law school and b-school. My guess is if you ask a guidance counselor in North Carolina, they'd probably say Georgetown and if you ask a counselor in Illinois, they'd probably say Notre Dame with the slight regional bias!
The environments at Georgetown and Notre Dame are so different though beyond being Catholic. Some people love a quieter place like South Bend and want to be part of a big football tradition. That definitely isn't available at Georgetown. Others want a more urban school that is a little less isolated socially or are set on some of the DC internship opportunities.
Catholics were excluded from a lot of other schools for so long and their high schools still have strong ties to the universities, so I get the interest in both but the student should be able to get a pick between these two great schools pretty quickly.

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The acceptance rates at Early Action and Regular Decision will be roughly similar at Georgetown. So OP's son should EA at ND and regular decision at GU (unless of course he had a strong preference for GU).

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Both of my DDs graduated from ND- one in '20 and one this past May (my FIL went there and several other extended family members, but not DH or me). Both loved it! Neither ever considered Georgetown. ND has a pretty unique campus culture that maybe isn't a fit for everyone, but the people who "get it" and for whom it is a fit, go ALL IN. Alums are super loyal and passionate about their school.

Re: post-grad destinations. It seems like most kids seemed to gravitate towards their region of origin? Like, the kids from Chicago (and there are a lot of them!) or other midwestern places tended to go to Chicago, east coast kids went Boston/NY/DC, west coast kids went LA/SF/etc. Obviously exceptions to the rule, but ND has a good reputation and connections in all the major job centers so if your kid is thinking he'd want to come back to the east coast, that's very doable and not a hindrance coming from ND. (The exception would probably be is that if your kid wants anything foreign service related, and to a lesser extent federal government in general, Georgetown would likely have the advantage.)

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Anonymous wrote:I live in the Midwest and have SEVERAL ND friends, and casually know a few Georgetown people through work.

I'd say both are awesome and extremely expensive and kinda similar. Pick the one where he wants to live after college. If he wants to settle on the East Coast, pick Georgetown. If he wants to settle in the Midwest, pick Notre Dame. Both have super strong networks, but best most advantageous in their own regions

I don't think this is true. I could be wrong, but while I think Georgetown grads do settle in DC area more than most, I think ND grads end up all over. But there are stats on this you can look up. The ND club in nyc is enormous

NYC is a big hub for both schools (and many elite colleges) in large part because of their finance and legal field placement. Both also had a good presence in the Bay Area. I've worked and interacted with alums from both schools in big tech, though more from Georgetown than ND.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t you apply REA to both? Although if the college office at Prep (I assume) is telling you to pick one, listen to them.

DP. Different school. NO! With restrictive early action, it only allows you to apply EA to PUBLIC universities. You cannot EA at another private university.

100%. You can only REA to one

This is wrong, and an example of why you should not seek advice on this forum.

NP. It’s not wrong. The “R” in REA stands for “restricted.” The restriction is that if you apply REA to a school, you cannot apply early (REA/SCEA/EA/ED) to another private university.

Oh FFS. It's okay to be stubborn when well informed, but ...

From ND Admissions site:

Notre Dame has a non-binding Restrictive Early Action program.

A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may apply to other Early Action programs at either private or public colleges or universities.
A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may not apply to any college or university (private or public) in their binding Early Decision 1 program.
If you apply to Notre Dame through REA, you may apply to any Early Decision 2 program as this has a deadline post our REA decision release in mid-December.

You're really sticking to your guns here, aren't you? You may not apply to two restrictive action programs. Georgetown has the same restriction. You can apply REA to Georgetown and to other EA, but not other REA. You cannot apply REA to both Georgetown and ND.

Again you are wrong. It is determined on whether or not the other REA school has that restriction. ND does not.

Georgetown does. Why are so determined to be right on an anonymous chat board? You're wrong about this, you cannot applly REA to both Georgetown and ND. It's okay. Nobody knows who you are here. Move on.

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We just had this meeting with our HS college counselor. My son cannot apply to GU EA and any other private institution EA (no matter if it's restrictive or not). GU specifically says you can only apply to public Universities EA. That said, my son cannot apply to the Ivy REA and GU EA. He can apply to our state univ EA and Georgetown EA.

OMG please do some research!! Your counselor is WRONG. From the GU website:

In keeping with this principle, students applying under the Early Action program may not apply to any binding Early Decision programs since they then would not be free to choose Georgetown if admitted. Students are, however, allowed to apply to other Early Action or other Regular Decision programs while simultaneously applying to Georgetown’s Early Action program.

https://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/applying/early-action/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd generally consider Georgetown as the slightly better school (the 75% SAT score is usually higher, the acceptance rate is usually somewhat lower despite not being a Common App school, and DC can attract faculty a little better versus South Bend and than what Georgetown might otherwise get). Notre Dame has a lot more $$ endowment wise though, so if aid is an important factor, ND could very well end up being more affordable as they have generous need based aid and more merit aid than Georgetown.
Rankings wise, they are split. Georgetown is one of the few schools in the top 25 across Forbes, WSJ, and USNWR. Notre Dame is slightly higher than Georgetown in USNWR but is 15+ spots lower in the other two. Georgetown also tends to be ranked higher grad school wise in primary areas like law school and b-school. My guess is if you ask a guidance counselor in North Carolina, they'd probably say Georgetown and if you ask a counselor in Illinois, they'd probably say Notre Dame with the slight regional bias!
The environments at Georgetown and Notre Dame are so different though beyond being Catholic. Some people love a quieter place like South Bend and want to be part of a big football tradition. That definitely isn't available at Georgetown. Others want a more urban school that is a little less isolated socially or are set on some of the DC internship opportunities.
Catholics were excluded from a lot of other schools for so long and their high schools still have strong ties to the universities, so I get the interest in both but the student should be able to get a pick between these two great schools pretty quickly.

I agree. My son is at a Jesuit HS and has zero interest in ND. Big football school and in South Bend does not interest this city kid. He loves Georgetown. They are both great schools- just not interested in ND.

My son is applying to Boston College though, just not ND. Jesuit is a big deal which ND is not and tends to be much more conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t you apply REA to both? Although if the college office at Prep (I assume) is telling you to pick one, listen to them.

DP. Different school. NO! With restrictive early action, it only allows you to apply EA to PUBLIC universities. You cannot EA at another private university.

100%. You can only REA to one

This is wrong, and an example of why you should not seek advice on this forum.

NP. It’s not wrong. The “R” in REA stands for “restricted.” The restriction is that if you apply REA to a school, you cannot apply early (REA/SCEA/EA/ED) to another private university.

Oh FFS. It's okay to be stubborn when well informed, but ...

From ND Admissions site:

Notre Dame has a non-binding Restrictive Early Action program.

A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may apply to other Early Action programs at either private or public colleges or universities.
A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may not apply to any college or university (private or public) in their binding Early Decision 1 program.
If you apply to Notre Dame through REA, you may apply to any Early Decision 2 program as this has a deadline post our REA decision release in mid-December.

You're really sticking to your guns here, aren't you? You may not apply to two restrictive action programs. Georgetown has the same restriction. You can apply REA to Georgetown and to other EA, but not other REA. You cannot apply REA to both Georgetown and ND.

Again you are wrong. It is determined on whether or not the other REA school has that restriction. ND does not.

Georgetown does. Why are so determined to be right on an anonymous chat board? You're wrong about this, you cannot applly REA to both Georgetown and ND. It's okay. Nobody knows who you are here. Move on.

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We just had this meeting with our HS college counselor. My son cannot apply to GU EA and any other private institution EA (no matter if it's restrictive or not). GU specifically says you can only apply to public Universities EA. That said, my son cannot apply to the Ivy REA and GU EA. He can apply to our state univ EA and Georgetown EA.

OMG please do some research!! Your counselor is WRONG. From the GU website:

In keeping with this principle, students applying under the Early Action program may not apply to any binding Early Decision programs since they then would not be free to choose Georgetown if admitted. Students are, however, allowed to apply to other Early Action or other Regular Decision programs while simultaneously applying to Georgetown’s Early Action program.

https://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/applying/early-action/

He's not if the kid was going to REA at Princeton or Yale. With REA at those ivies you can only EA to a public university--so he would not be able to EA at GU and REA at HYP.

Early Action A Single Choice Early Action Plan is offered by Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This plan does not require a commitment to matriculate, and students may apply to other colleges under those colleges’ regular admission programs (spring notification of final admission decision) but not to another private institution’s Early Action or Early Decision program.!

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If you want a solid education ND is the choice. If you want to be part of the great social experiment going on in this country pick Georgetown.

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we did Michigan and ND on the same college trip and those schools have a lot in common - in good ways. ND felt like a smaller UMich.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t you apply REA to both? Although if the college office at Prep (I assume) is telling you to pick one, listen to them.

DP. Different school. NO! With restrictive early action, it only allows you to apply EA to PUBLIC universities. You cannot EA at another private university.

100%. You can only REA to one

This is wrong, and an example of why you should not seek advice on this forum.

NP. It’s not wrong. The “R” in REA stands for “restricted.” The restriction is that if you apply REA to a school, you cannot apply early (REA/SCEA/EA/ED) to another private university.

Oh FFS. It's okay to be stubborn when well informed, but ...

From ND Admissions site:

Notre Dame has a non-binding Restrictive Early Action program.

A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may apply to other Early Action programs at either private or public colleges or universities.
A student applying Restrictive Early Action to Notre Dame may not apply to any college or university (private or public) in their binding Early Decision 1 program.
If you apply to Notre Dame through REA, you may apply to any Early Decision 2 program as this has a deadline post our REA decision release in mid-December.

You're really sticking to your guns here, aren't you? You may not apply to two restrictive action programs. Georgetown has the same restriction. You can apply REA to Georgetown and to other EA, but not other REA. You cannot apply REA to both Georgetown and ND.

Again you are wrong. It is determined on whether or not the other REA school has that restriction. ND does not.

Georgetown does. Why are so determined to be right on an anonymous chat board? You're wrong about this, you cannot applly REA to both Georgetown and ND. It's okay. Nobody knows who you are here. Move on.

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We just had this meeting with our HS college counselor. My son cannot apply to GU EA and any other private institution EA (no matter if it's restrictive or not). GU specifically says you can only apply to public Universities EA. That said, my son cannot apply to the Ivy REA and GU EA. He can apply to our state univ EA and Georgetown EA.

OMG please do some research!! Your counselor is WRONG. From the GU website:

In keeping with this principle, students applying under the Early Action program may not apply to any binding Early Decision programs since they then would not be free to choose Georgetown if admitted. Students are, however, allowed to apply to other Early Action or other Regular Decision programs while simultaneously applying to Georgetown’s Early Action program.

https://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/applying/early-action/

He's not if the kid was going to REA at Princeton or Yale. With REA at those ivies you can only EA to a public university--so he would not be able to EA at GU and REA at HYP.

Early Action A Single Choice Early Action Plan is offered by Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This plan does not require a commitment to matriculate, and students may apply to other colleges under those colleges’ regular admission programs (spring notification of final admission decision) but not to another private institution’s Early Action or Early Decision program.!

The REA at HYP would not allow a student to EA at Georgetown. Correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd generally consider Georgetown as the slightly better school (the 75% SAT score is usually higher, the acceptance rate is usually somewhat lower despite not being a Common App school, and DC can attract faculty a little better versus South Bend and than what Georgetown might otherwise get). Notre Dame has a lot more $$ endowment wise though, so if aid is an important factor, ND could very well end up being more affordable as they have generous need based aid and more merit aid than Georgetown.
Rankings wise, they are split. Georgetown is one of the few schools in the top 25 across Forbes, WSJ, and USNWR. Notre Dame is slightly higher than Georgetown in USNWR but is 15+ spots lower in the other two. Georgetown also tends to be ranked higher grad school wise in primary areas like law school and b-school. My guess is if you ask a guidance counselor in North Carolina, they'd probably say Georgetown and if you ask a counselor in Illinois, they'd probably say Notre Dame with the slight regional bias!
The environments at Georgetown and Notre Dame are so different though beyond being Catholic. Some people love a quieter place like South Bend and want to be part of a big football tradition. That definitely isn't available at Georgetown. Others want a more urban school that is a little less isolated socially or are set on some of the DC internship opportunities.
Catholics were excluded from a lot of other schools for so long and their high schools still have strong ties to the universities, so I get the interest in both but the student should be able to get a pick between these two great schools pretty quickly.

I agree. My son is at a Jesuit HS and has zero interest in ND. Big football school and in South Bend does not interest this city kid. He loves Georgetown. They are both great schools- just not interested in ND.

My son is applying to Boston College though, just not ND. Jesuit is a big deal which ND is not and tends to be much more conservative.

BC and GU go together. ND is much more conservative, not Jesuit.