Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

I'm glad someone was paying attention when I made this point!! Thanks friend!

You made yourself a fool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's weird no one has linked the ranking metrics that probably led to the slide:

College Readiness Index Rank - #1 (tie) #1
College Curriculum Breadth Index Rank - #9 #1
State Assessment Proficiency Rank - #15 (tie) #1
State Assessment Performance Rank - #44 #1
Graduation Rate Rank - #1 (tie) #1 (tie)

The outlier here is the "State Assessment Performance Rank," at 44th, which is defined by US News as the following:
"How aggregated scores on state assessments compare with U.S. News' expectations given the proportions of students who are Black, Hispanic and from low-income households."

As noted the data used was prior to the admissions changes, so Im not sure whether the admissions changes will help or hurt, but I suspect having larger numbers of high performing URMs will increase their ranking here and will return them to #1.

It is interesting that you assume the URMs got in TJ are high performers.
I guess you think lottery winners are highly motivated, ambitious, hard working citizens.

I mean, they're all taking sufficiently advanced classes in middle school to cover the state assessments and then some, or else they wouldn't be eligible to apply to TJ.

And the mean GPA of admitted students went up when the admissions changes went through, so for the most part you're getting students who were MS 4.0s in these sufficiently advanced classes.

They're plenty high-performing by definition - they just don't necessarily have the resources to be as artificially advanced as previous cohorts.

The amount of sour grapes that you see in these fora is really embarrassing.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The amazing thing to me is these ignorant, illiterate, innumerate people, who would never qualify for the lottery of TJ, trying to pass judgment on who belongs at TJ.

Yeah, we need some TJ grads to explain how this “drop” is meaningless. The irrational parents don’t understand the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Do you seriously believe that the only students who were impacted by the changes in the admissions process - or frankly even most of them - were Asian?

Do you understand that a huge number of Asian students were positively impacted by the new admissions process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Do you seriously believe that the only students who were impacted by the changes in the admissions process - or frankly even most of them - were Asian?

Do you understand that a huge number of Asian students were positively impacted by the new admissions process?

Poor asians benefited the most, but the people railing against the system don't care about them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Do you seriously believe that the only students who were impacted by the changes in the admissions process - or frankly even most of them - were Asian?

Do you understand that a huge number of Asian students were positively impacted by the new admissions process?

Poor asians benefited the most, but the people railing against the system don't care about them

Precisely. Because, as with most "grassroots" conservative causes, this is about pretending to advocate for regular people while in reality protecting the interests of the wealthy.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Parents_Defending_Education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Do you seriously believe that the only students who were impacted by the changes in the admissions process - or frankly even most of them - were Asian?

Do you understand that a huge number of Asian students were positively impacted by the new admissions process?

Poor asians benefited the most, but the people railing against the system don't care about them

Do you have data to support that statement? liar