Americans moving to Japan for safety and affordability

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Your reality is only in your head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Various iterations of .gov have been trying things your way since at least 1968 (or 1934 if you count the National Firearms Act, or 1911 if you count the Sullivan Act, or even Reconstruction if you count the various Jim Crow laws aimed at disarming free African Americans so that they could continue to be oppressed).

It hasn’t worked. It doesn’t work. It never will work. It cannot work. There are millions of firearms in the US. No magic magnet exists or will ever exist that could somehow lift them all away; if such a thing did exist, the firearms in criminal hands would be replaced nearly instantly by the same contraband channels that supply boat, truck and trainloads of unlawful drugs, including Chinese fentanyl.

Firearms are inanimate objects. “Gun violence” is a great marketing slogan, but criminals commit violence, not firearms. Punishing and restricting decent people because sociopaths commit crimes is a “solution” bound to fail.

The idea that the United States can be compared to anywhere else, particularly a tiny, insular island nation that forcibly disarmed its population centuries ago so that they could be ruled by despots and a brutal warrior elite is equally preposterous. The United States is unique in its geography, population, culture, economy, history and traditions. One of those traditions is that the right of individuals to personally owned firearms is better than the alternative, a conclusion the Framers arrived at after bitter experience and observation.

You want less criminal violence? Lock up the criminals. Don’t give them a break. Ignore their sob stories. Enforce the uncountable existing laws against violent crime, the criminal misuse of firearms, possession of firearms by convicted felons, theft, unlawful firearms trafficking across state lines and all of the other misery that socio- and psychopath get a pass on inflicting on the rest of us because too many people are unwilling to shift that misery back to the people who perpetrate it.

[Anonymous]

Japan seems like a poor choice for those of us who enjoy diversity and vibrancy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. My Japanese friends living in the US are thinking of retiring there, specifically for the healthcare. Safety less so, since as PP said, we’re all safety conscious and we’re not going to live without notoriously dangerous parts of the US. But healthcare is a big reason.

The healthcare might be find for some but it is totally inadequate for children with special needs and medical needs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Japan is notoriously xenophobic.

Well, to be fair, its probably the homogeny of their people that allows their culture.

People hate on the US but we’re one of the few truly diverse countries on the planet. There are lots of inherrent challenges that go along with that.

But of course gun crime has nothing to do with diversity. Australia is more diverse and doesn’t have a gun crime problem like the US.

Australia is 77% and 10% Asian. I wouldn't call that more diverse.

😂 it’s clear some posters have never been to Australia.

It’s way more racist and in your face about it than us uk or Canada.

Australians would poop themselves if they dealt with American or even Canadian/uk demographics

More than 50% of Sydney’s 5.5 million people were born overseas and 40% speak a language other than English at home so that probably makes it quite diverse by anyone’s standards. My point wasn’t to compare Japan and Australia. It was to point out that diversity may have its challenges but more gun crime doesn’t need to be one of them.

If I cherry pick the data, I can be right.

[Anonymous]

I'm amused by this thread. The people wanting to move to Japan for safety are also the people who refuse to do anything, aka vote for parties and candidates to reform where the real violence is. For all the pearl clutching about mass shooting, the vast majority of violence in the US is between poor people in urban areas, followed by immigrant gangs. The demographics and stats are extremely clear about it. But what do those blue bubbles do? Keep voting for the same incompetent politicians over and over again and supporting open borders. Places like Baltimore and Detroit and Philadelphia and even DC will never see meaningful crackdowns on urban violence because the political mandate is not there from the voters, who in turn rush to DCUM to moan about safety. You just look the other way because it is politically inconvenient.

Why Japan is so safe is because it is a highly conformist, enormously homogenous, *conservative* society that shuns and distrusts outsiders while encouraging a high level of social trust among the Japanese. The US is not and will never be like that. That's the price you pay for American liberalism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Your reality is only in your head.

Guess you were not watching the news on 4th of July weekend.

Or when the CDC announced that gun violence now kills more American kids than car crashes. That is a very sick fact that we should be ashamed of as a nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Your reality is only in your head.

Guess you were not watching the news on 4th of July weekend.

Or when the CDC announced that gun violence now kills more American kids than car crashes. That is a very sick fact that we should be ashamed of as a nation.

Not sure I’d rely on the CDC for much of anything these days. Repeated studies confirm that there are millions of defensive firearm uses a year in the US, something CDC used to admit but now seeks to conceal because it is politically inexpedient to tell the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Various iterations of .gov have been trying things your way since at least 1968 (or 1934 if you count the National Firearms Act, or 1911 if you count the Sullivan Act, or even Reconstruction if you count the various Jim Crow laws aimed at disarming free African Americans so that they could continue to be oppressed).

It hasn’t worked. It doesn’t work. It never will work. It cannot work. There are millions of firearms in the US. No magic magnet exists or will ever exist that could somehow lift them all away; if such a thing did exist, the firearms in criminal hands would be replaced nearly instantly by the same contraband channels that supply boat, truck and trainloads of unlawful drugs, including Chinese fentanyl.

Firearms are inanimate objects. “Gun violence” is a great marketing slogan, but criminals commit violence, not firearms. Punishing and restricting decent people because sociopaths commit crimes is a “solution” bound to fail.

The idea that the United States can be compared to anywhere else, particularly a tiny, insular island nation that forcibly disarmed its population centuries ago so that they could be ruled by despots and a brutal warrior elite is equally preposterous. The United States is unique in its geography, population, culture, economy, history and traditions. One of those traditions is that the right of individuals to personally owned firearms is better than the alternative, a conclusion the Framers arrived at after bitter experience and observation.

You want less criminal violence? Lock up the criminals. Don’t give them a break. Ignore their sob stories. Enforce the uncountable existing laws against violent crime, the criminal misuse of firearms, possession of firearms by convicted felons, theft, unlawful firearms trafficking across state lines and all of the other misery that socio- and psychopath get a pass on inflicting on the rest of us because too many people are unwilling to shift that misery back to the people who perpetrate it.

You have obviously bought into the NRA nonsense hook line and sinker.

Guess what: you cannot shoot someone if you don’t have a gun. So eliminating or reducing access to the product that is involved in 100% of gun deaths is actually a very logical strategy.

Also, when you call the term “gun violence ” marketing…what are safety advocates trying to sell? Who is getting rich by “marketing” violence reduction? Public health professionals? Safety researchers?

Your “logic” does not hold up at all, but the very profitable gun industry/lobby would be pleased with your post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not just mass shootings you have to worry about in the US that doesn’t happen in other countries. In Japan, S. Korea, parts of Northern Europe (maybe … not sure anymore), Singapore, etc. you can have your laptop, phone etc. out at a coffee shop, get up to go to the restroom or get something else at the counter or whatever, come back 5 minutes later and your stuff will still be there. All of it. No theft.

You won’t be aggressively panhandled to by the mentally ill homeless. People won’t be openly using drugs on the street and sleeping in tents. Not saying it’s perfect though because there are a lot of problems in Japan in particular with groping and sexual harassment on public transit. But you aren’t going to be wondering if that dude with the crazy eyes is about to push you in front of an oncoming train or pull a gun on you and steal your phone.

And does that make you wonder why???

Ever wonder where their mentally ill, addicted, and disabled are?

Ever wonder what happens to people *accused* of a crime?

They have zero tolerance for addiction and illegal drug use just like a lot of Asian countries, so I’d have to assume their number of addicts is quite low. And illegal drug use creates and worsens mental illnesses. Their people enjoy a higher standard of public behavior than we do.

It’s a police state.

They police everything everywhere.

And you are taken away and locked up.

Someone says you are mentally ill? Tied down and institutionalized. Google Japan’s psych beds and horrific approach to anyone who deviates from societal norms.

I prefer an orderly state with professionalized police like in east asia vs the crazy swat team/ex-mil fiefdoms you get in the us.

[Anonymous]

Tokyo is so clean too. I hate how filthy our cities are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm amused by this thread. The people wanting to move to Japan for safety are also the people who refuse to do anything, aka vote for parties and candidates to reform where the real violence is. For all the pearl clutching about mass shooting, the vast majority of violence in the US is between poor people in urban areas, followed by immigrant gangs. The demographics and stats are extremely clear about it. But what do those blue bubbles do? Keep voting for the same incompetent politicians over and over again and supporting open borders. Places like Baltimore and Detroit and Philadelphia and even DC will never see meaningful crackdowns on urban violence because the political mandate is not there from the voters, who in turn rush to DCUM to moan about safety. You just look the other way because it is politically inconvenient.

Why Japan is so safe is because it is a highly conformist, enormously homogenous, *conservative* society that shuns and distrusts outsiders while encouraging a high level of social trust among the Japanese. The US is not and will never be like that. That's the price you pay for American liberalism.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Your reality is only in your head.

Guess you were not watching the news on 4th of July weekend.

Or when the CDC announced that gun violence now kills more American kids than car crashes. That is a very sick fact that we should be ashamed of as a nation.

This is misleading. It’s not just that gun violence increased but that cars have gotten safer and there are fewer drownings.

[Anonymous]

Not reading this whole thing - what does Japan do about homelessness and drugs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who can move to Japan for safety was probably going to be pretty safe in the US

You are really kidding yourself if you think you call buy yourself into some version of America that is not impacted by gun violence.

Your kids will have active shooter drills. And you might all be be at some 4th of July parade or aggravate some wahoo with a glock on the beltway or your child might be walking across their campus or working next to someone with an estranged husband.

Yeah, that is what our reality looks like.

But you can try keeping your head in the sand and voting for Republicans because you like lower taxes, if that tradeoff is worth it to you.

Many of us don't share your values.

Various iterations of .gov have been trying things your way since at least 1968 (or 1934 if you count the National Firearms Act, or 1911 if you count the Sullivan Act, or even Reconstruction if you count the various Jim Crow laws aimed at disarming free African Americans so that they could continue to be oppressed).

It hasn’t worked. It doesn’t work. It never will work. It cannot work. There are millions of firearms in the US. No magic magnet exists or will ever exist that could somehow lift them all away; if such a thing did exist, the firearms in criminal hands would be replaced nearly instantly by the same contraband channels that supply boat, truck and trainloads of unlawful drugs, including Chinese fentanyl.

Firearms are inanimate objects. “Gun violence” is a great marketing slogan, but criminals commit violence, not firearms. Punishing and restricting decent people because sociopaths commit crimes is a “solution” bound to fail.

The idea that the United States can be compared to anywhere else, particularly a tiny, insular island nation that forcibly disarmed its population centuries ago so that they could be ruled by despots and a brutal warrior elite is equally preposterous. The United States is unique in its geography, population, culture, economy, history and traditions. One of those traditions is that the right of individuals to personally owned firearms is better than the alternative, a conclusion the Framers arrived at after bitter experience and observation.

You want less criminal violence? Lock up the criminals. Don’t give them a break. Ignore their sob stories. Enforce the uncountable existing laws against violent crime, the criminal misuse of firearms, possession of firearms by convicted felons, theft, unlawful firearms trafficking across state lines and all of the other misery that socio- and psychopath get a pass on inflicting on the rest of us because too many people are unwilling to shift that misery back to the people who perpetrate it.

You have obviously bought into the NRA nonsense hook line and sinker.

Guess what: you cannot shoot someone if you don’t have a gun. So eliminating or reducing access to the product that is involved in 100% of gun deaths is actually a very logical strategy.

Also, when you call the term “gun violence ” marketing…what are safety advocates trying to sell? Who is getting rich by “marketing” violence reduction? Public health professionals? Safety researchers?

Your “logic” does not hold up at all, but the very profitable gun industry/lobby would be pleased with your post.

It is impossible to eliminate access to firearms. The recent shooting of a Japanese politician proves that. People get guns in prison.

There are hundreds, thousands of laws purportedly passed to limit the availability of firearms to criminals and their criminal misuse of them. Being criminals, the criminals ignore those laws. Decent people are the only ones who obey them, and they weren’t misusing firearms in the first place.

Focusing on firearms instead of on criminals and criminal behavior is delusional.

“Marketing” isn’t always commercial; perhaps I should have said propaganda. It seems incongruous that the politicians advocating for ever additional layers of ineffectual “gun control” are surrounded by guards armed with — gasp! — guns.