Doordasher yells at customer that left 25% tip

[Anonymous]

I let drivers know up front the tip is $0, how is it my problem when I let them know in advance there is no tip? I’m in Los Angeles and get my orders within 30-45 mins weekly. We pay super high feee for their gas, benefits, La la la la la etc. I’m letting you know up front it’s a no tip order, how can you possibly be upset when I tell you in advance??? I’m not tip baiting, I don’t put $20 tip and then change it to zero. I’m 100% letting you know that if you choose to deliver my order, you are choosing zero tip. What is the problem here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I let drivers know up front the tip is $0, how is it my problem when I let them know in advance there is no tip? I’m in Los Angeles and get my orders within 30-45 mins weekly. We pay super high feee for their gas, benefits, La la la la la etc. I’m letting you know up front it’s a no tip order, how can you possibly be upset when I tell you in advance??? I’m not tip baiting, I don’t put $20 tip and then change it to zero. I’m 100% letting you know that if you choose to deliver my order, you are choosing zero tip. What is the problem here?

I think the problem is that they are assuming/expecting that you will tip in cash. I always put in $0 as well, but it is because I tip in cash on delivery, which varies based on several factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I let drivers know up front the tip is $0, how is it my problem when I let them know in advance there is no tip? I’m in Los Angeles and get my orders within 30-45 mins weekly. We pay super high feee for their gas, benefits, La la la la la etc. I’m letting you know up front it’s a no tip order, how can you possibly be upset when I tell you in advance??? I’m not tip baiting, I don’t put $20 tip and then change it to zero. I’m 100% letting you know that if you choose to deliver my order, you are choosing zero tip. What is the problem here?

I think the problem is that they are assuming/expecting that you will tip in cash. I always put in $0 as well, but it is because I tip in cash on delivery, which varies based on several factors.

No they aren’t, because my option is set to leave it at the door. I could not be more clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a nanny in school, who barely makes above minimum wage. My job is 1000000x harder than door dashing. I rarely use this service but when I do, no tip, because no one tips me for just doing my job. Ridiculous!

This is stupid. You work a job that doesn't depend on tips, and therefore make above minimum wage. They work a tipped job, and make below minimum wage. The fact that you find your job difficult doesn't mean other people don't deserve to be tipped. Study hard because you need some kind of logic foundation.

There are no tipped *jobs* that make below win wage. There are minimum wage jobs where the first $X/hr in tips go to the owner.

In the case of (dubiously classified) independent contractors, the service provider accepts or declines a bid for the work.

Um, yes there are. My DS is a waiter this summer. He makes $2.10/hour as his wage. The rest of his pay is from tips. The restaurant he works in does not have tip pooling or tip sharing (like sharing a % of tips with the FOH & BOH staff). The owners also take no tip money from the workers. Front-of-house & back-of-house workers where he works earn a traditional wage of $15+/hr. The restaurant only has automatic gratuity on parties of 8+.

DS likes the work because he likes being busy and moving about. He also has been fascinated with restaurants and cooking from a young age. On a slow shift, he will make at least $200 a day. This past holiday weekend he did very well. The least he earned was Sunday afternoon 2pm-7pm shift he picked up for someone where he only made $225. The most he made was Monday where he earned $440! He also worked 10am-9pm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I let drivers know up front the tip is $0, how is it my problem when I let them know in advance there is no tip? I’m in Los Angeles and get my orders within 30-45 mins weekly. We pay super high feee for their gas, benefits, La la la la la etc. I’m letting you know up front it’s a no tip order, how can you possibly be upset when I tell you in advance??? I’m not tip baiting, I don’t put $20 tip and then change it to zero. I’m 100% letting you know that if you choose to deliver my order, you are choosing zero tip. What is the problem here?

I think the problem is that they are assuming/expecting that you will tip in cash. I always put in $0 as well, but it is because I tip in cash on delivery, which varies based on several factors.

No they aren’t, because my option is set to leave it at the door. I could not be more clear.

You're sneaky. You know perfectly well delivery people think you will tip in cash, but go ahead and play your games.

There's a massive difference between cashiers trying to exhort a tip when you're picking up cookies at your local bakery, and a delivery person bringing your food to your house.

Either you're dumb as a post, or cheap and exploitative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I let drivers know up front the tip is $0, how is it my problem when I let them know in advance there is no tip? I’m in Los Angeles and get my orders within 30-45 mins weekly. We pay super high feee for their gas, benefits, La la la la la etc. I’m letting you know up front it’s a no tip order, how can you possibly be upset when I tell you in advance??? I’m not tip baiting, I don’t put $20 tip and then change it to zero. I’m 100% letting you know that if you choose to deliver my order, you are choosing zero tip. What is the problem here?

I think the problem is that they are assuming/expecting that you will tip in cash. I always put in $0 as well, but it is because I tip in cash on delivery, which varies based on several factors.

No they aren’t, because my option is set to leave it at the door. I could not be more clear.

You're sneaky. You know perfectly well delivery people think you will tip in cash, but go ahead and play your games.

There's a massive difference between cashiers trying to exhort a tip when you're picking up cookies at your local bakery, and a delivery person bringing your food to your house.

Either you're dumb as a post, or cheap and exploitative.

DP. You're wrong. A lot of drivers reject "no tip" orders because their expectation is that there will, in fact, be no tip. Cash tippers are a small minority of "no tip" orders.

The whole purpose of these apps in the first place was to create a convenient, cashless, seamless experience. Cash tip is the exception, not the rule.

[Anonymous]

This guy is wrong, and an entitled a-hole, but I always tip food delivery people. DoorDash is kind of predatory towards their drivers, and they really need those tips to make any kind of income. It’s the regular business transactions, like a cashier handing you the stuff you just bought, that get a side-eye from me if there’s a tip screen.

However, this guy seems like the kind of person who wouldn’t tip well if the food were coming to his own home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sibling is in the restaurant industry and he said he's noticing a shift. All the random places adding tip options to their checkout screens is angering people and starting to cause a tipping backlash.

Those screens—and stories like this—never make me inclined to tip more, only to avoid situations where any tipping is expected. Eating out at a mediocre restaurant just isn’t worth it.

Just back from a trip to Europe where the service we received was 1000 times better than anything we’ve seen recently here, and no tipping expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a nanny in school, who barely makes above minimum wage. My job is 1000000x harder than door dashing. I rarely use this service but when I do, no tip, because no one tips me for just doing my job. Ridiculous!

This is stupid. You work a job that doesn't depend on tips, and therefore make above minimum wage. They work a tipped job, and make below minimum wage. The fact that you find your job difficult doesn't mean other people don't deserve to be tipped. Study hard because you need some kind of logic foundation.

There are no tipped *jobs* that make below win wage. There are minimum wage jobs where the first $X/hr in tips go to the owner.

In the case of (dubiously classified) independent contractors, the service provider accepts or declines a bid for the work.

Um, yes there are. My DS is a waiter this summer. He makes $2.10/hour as his wage. The rest of his pay is from tips. The restaurant he works in does not have tip pooling or tip sharing (like sharing a % of tips with the FOH & BOH staff). The owners also take no tip money from the workers. Front-of-house & back-of-house workers where he works earn a traditional wage of $15+/hr. The restaurant only has automatic gratuity on parties of 8+.

DS likes the work because he likes being busy and moving about. He also has been fascinated with restaurants and cooking from a young age. On a slow shift, he will make at least $200 a day. This past holiday weekend he did very well. The least he earned was Sunday afternoon 2pm-7pm shift he picked up for someone where he only made $225. The most he made was Monday where he earned $440! He also worked 10am-9pm.

I never feel bad for waiters or people who work for tips (meaning paying minimal or no tips depending on the service) because I know these people can get any other number of stable jobs e.g. working in the kitchen if restaurants, retail, etc but choose to work for tips because they are banking on making more money that way. High risk high return (as pp aptly shows), if you don't like it just choose a job stocking shelves or something that will at least pay minimum wage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sibling is in the restaurant industry and he said he's noticing a shift. All the random places adding tip options to their checkout screens is angering people and starting to cause a tipping backlash.

Those screens—and stories like this—never make me inclined to tip more, only to avoid situations where any tipping is expected. Eating out at a mediocre restaurant just isn’t worth it.

Just back from a trip to Europe where the service we received was 1000 times better than anything we’ve seen recently here, and no tipping expected.

Well, yes, in Europe serving is an actual profession, with a salary and benefits. No one sneers at servers and says "get a real job!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sibling is in the restaurant industry and he said he's noticing a shift. All the random places adding tip options to their checkout screens is angering people and starting to cause a tipping backlash.

I'm actually glad that the added the tip screen because I ALWAYS use a card and feel bad about not tipping. However, what I dfon't like is that they are sneaky. They calculate the suggested tips on the total. It's supposed to be the pre tax total.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sibling is in the restaurant industry and he said he's noticing a shift. All the random places adding tip options to their checkout screens is angering people and starting to cause a tipping backlash.

This is true for me. I tip well at restaurants with good service. I find myself avoiding places that prompt for tip. I would rather save the money, and spend it on a restaurant where there is actual service, not just someone ringing up a bottle of olive oil. Which is what happened to me yesterday - I was promoted to tip $5 on a $17 bottle of olive oil by an employee that was on the phone with their boyfriend or girlfriend. It was easy to select no tip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's make European no tipping happen

As soon as companies pay above minimum wage to these drivers, then we can do this.

Chicken-egg. Companies are not going to pay better until people stop working for for low wages. What we need is a service industry strike. Sadly, it won’t happen because every country has a segment of the population that’s exploited- so desperate for any money, they’ll take less than they deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sibling is in the restaurant industry and he said he's noticing a shift. All the random places adding tip options to their checkout screens is angering people and starting to cause a tipping backlash.

This is true for me. I tip well at restaurants with good service. I find myself avoiding places that prompt for tip. I would rather save the money, and spend it on a restaurant where there is actual service, not just someone ringing up a bottle of olive oil. Which is what happened to me yesterday - I was promoted to tip $5 on a $17 bottle of olive oil by an employee that was on the phone with their boyfriend or girlfriend. It was easy to select no tip.

Same. I remember when Panera started that. I order my own food, I pour my own drink, I pick up my own food, I clear my own table. Exactly WHAT am I tipping for??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a nanny in school, who barely makes above minimum wage. My job is 1000000x harder than door dashing. I rarely use this service but when I do, no tip, because no one tips me for just doing my job. Ridiculous!

This is stupid. You work a job that doesn't depend on tips, and therefore make above minimum wage. They work a tipped job, and make below minimum wage. The fact that you find your job difficult doesn't mean other people don't deserve to be tipped. Study hard because you need some kind of logic foundation.

There are no tipped *jobs* that make below win wage. There are minimum wage jobs where the first $X/hr in tips go to the owner.

In the case of (dubiously classified) independent contractors, the service provider accepts or declines a bid for the work.

Um, yes there are. My DS is a waiter this summer. He makes $2.10/hour as his wage. The rest of his pay is from tips. The restaurant he works in does not have tip pooling or tip sharing (like sharing a % of tips with the FOH & BOH staff). The owners also take no tip money from the workers. Front-of-house & back-of-house workers where he works earn a traditional wage of $15+/hr. The restaurant only has automatic gratuity on parties of 8+.

DS likes the work because he likes being busy and moving about. He also has been fascinated with restaurants and cooking from a young age. On a slow shift, he will make at least $200 a day. This past holiday weekend he did very well. The least he earned was Sunday afternoon 2pm-7pm shift he picked up for someone where he only made $225. The most he made was Monday where he earned $440! He also worked 10am-9pm.

He ‘only’ made $225??? He’s a waiter not an investment banker! This is why I don’t over tip anymore, especially in states like california where waiters have to be paid $15+ an hour and there is no $2/hr nonsense. Same for door dash drivers!