Doordasher yells at customer that left 25% tip

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Strippers make a lot of money too.
This scenario is irrelevant and yes, income does correlate with education. Why else do we send our children to college?

There you go. If door dashers want tips they should become strippers or escorts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many cheap mofos in this thread trying to justify it. Pathetic and low

+1

But they tip their hookers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I gave a 20% cash tip at a manicure once and the manicurist stared at it and said incredulously, “that’s it?”

I was so embarrassed that I handed over more cash and realized later she probably does that every time to see how much more she can get.

I’ve literally stopped getting services like that or eating out, unless I really want a particular experience that I’m willing to pay extra for, to avoid this whole tipping craziness.

[Anonymous]

It's fake and they are both in on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never understood people who are too lazy to go get take away food. Have never used Door Dash or UberEats.

It’s disingenuous to say “25% tip” when it’s a measly $5. Just because you ordered a ridiculous small order for delivery is not drivers fault. I actually am fine with higher tip for expensive orders; they are responsible for transporting $400 worth of goods — a higher fee is warranted. What happens if they get cut off and it spills? I think the Dasher has to pay.

But people saying “get a job” it’s often illegal immigrates dashing on someone’s account, ex cons, or people who need the ultimate flexibility. Retail and fast food are famous for inflexible and disruptive scheduling.

It’s not walking from car door to your door — they have to drive to restaurants then to the homes etc. and most don’t live in your fancy zip code so already drove awhile to get in active market. DD pays about $3/job, so $10 tips after gas might be nearly minimum wage for the 30 minutes of work. And that doesn’t include the time with them circling or idling waiting on call for orders — are pizza delivery drivers at a restaurant paid for while they wait for orders?

You understand these jobs are a choice. And, that's a reasonable tip.

Please, you think gig workers have better options? These jobs started during the Great Recession, and even in the tight labor market now there are many unemployable that gig working exploits. Pay them fing minimum wage and make a policy of NO tipping. Done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The person a doordasher should really be upset with is their self.

They are the ones who chose that job knowing that 1) tips aren't guaranteed and 2) a typical trip payment from DD is $5-7.

They can't even be mad at DD as a system because again, they CHOSE to work for them.

DD like a lot of gig work is supposed to be a side hustle. DD is already paying them their so-called tip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I gave a 20% cash tip at a manicure once and the manicurist stared at it and said incredulously, “that’s it?”

I was so embarrassed that I handed over more cash and realized later she probably does that every time to see how much more she can get.

I’ve literally stopped getting services like that or eating out, unless I really want a particular experience that I’m willing to pay extra for, to avoid this whole tipping craziness.

Same! I do need some beauty services but minimized them. No eating out - pickup or delivery only.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Strippers make a lot of money too.
This scenario is irrelevant and yes, income does correlate with education. Why else do we send our children to college?

So do high end escorts, are you trying to compare hospitality workers with women who take off their clothes for money?

My point was the wealthiest people tip well. The ones who call themselves upper middle class and middle class not so much. The workers with lower incomes tip better.

I was addressing your claim that income has no relation to education. In some careers (like those that are appearance-based), it doesn't, but in almost all it does.

Supply and demand also affects salaries. There are a glut of attorneys so the salaries are down except the very top of the field. Workers in social services have Master Degrees but are not paid what they’re worth. Trained craftsmen can make more than people with Master’s.
Of course if you’re trained as a medical doctor you will make a good living after years of training. Starting on Wall Street as a hedge fund trader only requires a 4 year degree.

I shouldn’t say there is no correlation between income and education. But the advanced degrees in certain fields don’t get the incomes they deserve. Others are overpaid without any advanced degrees.

Sometimes employees with PhDs are difficult in the real-world work place. Some have specific knowledge in an area, but have difficulties working with others or outside a vacuum. Not all, but there’s enough of them like that. What lands up happening is that someone gets assigned to help “manage” them and they land up costing some projects more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The person a doordasher should really be upset with is their self.

They are the ones who chose that job knowing that 1) tips aren't guaranteed and 2) a typical trip payment from DD is $5-7.

They can't even be mad at DD as a system because again, they CHOSE to work for them.

DD like a lot of gig work is supposed to be a side hustle. DD is already paying them their so-called tip.

WTF? Who decides which jobs are side hustles and exempt from labor laws?

It’s exploitation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's make European no tipping happen

As soon as companies pay above minimum wage to these drivers, then we can do this.

It’ll work faster the other way around. First-Stop tipping. Second-People stop taking the jobs. Third-wages increase to attract talent to the jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

All of this!!

Absolutely. Skilled tradespeople and entry level BAs, etc. should not begrudge the min wagers getting 15/hour. They should be pushing their salaries to be higher. Min wagers are not taking the money from you, though the Owner Class want you to think that and love that you're fighting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I gave a 20% cash tip at a manicure once and the manicurist stared at it and said incredulously, “that’s it?”

I was so embarrassed that I handed over more cash and realized later she probably does that every time to see how much more she can get.

I’ve literally stopped getting services like that or eating out, unless I really want a particular experience that I’m willing to pay extra for, to avoid this whole tipping craziness.

We’ve also cut back significantly. Surprised flight attendants haven’t put out tip jars yet for beverage service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person a doordasher should really be upset with is their self.

They are the ones who chose that job knowing that 1) tips aren't guaranteed and 2) a typical trip payment from DD is $5-7.

They can't even be mad at DD as a system because again, they CHOSE to work for them.

DD like a lot of gig work is supposed to be a side hustle. DD is already paying them their so-called tip.

WTF? Who decides which jobs are side hustles and exempt from labor laws?

It’s exploitation.

For their sake, I’d love to see it pay minimum wage, but once doorsash and the like do that, the business will shrink. People already balk at the charges and tipping.

[Anonymous]

The only way to change the broken system is to stop tipping. If tipping continues, it props up poor business practices that lead to employers not paying market based labor rates. People need to stop tipping so pressure builds on employers. It’s not the customers responsibility to subsidize the business model.

[Anonymous]

I was always told a reasonable tip for a pizza delivery is take the price of a gallon of gas and round up to the next dollar. So right now that would be $4.

Tipping someone who just brought you a pizza more than an entire gallon of gas seems reasonable. Sorry.