Doordasher yells at customer that left 25% tip

[Anonymous]

Th is is why I don’t use doordash.

I also don’t eat out much now days. If we do go out to eat we will do McDonald’s or Michelin (at least the service is on par with tip).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was always told a reasonable tip for a pizza delivery is take the price of a gallon of gas and round up to the next dollar. So right now that would be $4.

Tipping someone who just brought you a pizza more than an entire gallon of gas seems reasonable. Sorry.

so you're willing to pay them for their gas but not their time? Seriously? I tip the minimum amount I'd be willing to accept to do the job I'm asking them to do--if someone said "hey will you run to target for me? I'll give you $5," would I do that? Would I do it for $10 if I were also running a bunch of errands for other people at the same time?

I rarely do any type of delivery because it gets too expensive with all the fees and tips added on, so generally, I do my own errands or wait for something to be shipped (AKA plan in advance.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only way to change the broken system is to stop tipping. If tipping continues, it props up poor business practices that lead to employers not paying market based labor rates. People need to stop tipping so pressure builds on employers. It’s not the customers responsibility to subsidize the business model.

No. It won’t change anything because people are desperate for these jobs. They will just make less and DD will make the same or more (since managing tips had transaction overhead).

Just pickup your own d@mn food or use a service that DOES pay minimum wage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was always told a reasonable tip for a pizza delivery is take the price of a gallon of gas and round up to the next dollar. So right now that would be $4.

Tipping someone who just brought you a pizza more than an entire gallon of gas seems reasonable. Sorry.

Tipping someone $4 that saved you from getting up off your lazy butt, getting into the car, parking, getting out, possibly waiting in line, getting back into car and going home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was always told a reasonable tip for a pizza delivery is take the price of a gallon of gas and round up to the next dollar. So right now that would be $4.

Tipping someone who just brought you a pizza more than an entire gallon of gas seems reasonable. Sorry.

so you're willing to pay them for their gas but not their time? Seriously? I tip the minimum amount I'd be willing to accept to do the job I'm asking them to do--if someone said "hey will you run to target for me? I'll give you $5," would I do that? Would I do it for $10 if I were also running a bunch of errands for other people at the same time?

I rarely do any type of delivery because it gets too expensive with all the fees and tips added on, so generally, I do my own errands or wait for something to be shipped (AKA plan in advance.)

I agree. Plus a lot of restaurants have their own delivery people with no fees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was always told a reasonable tip for a pizza delivery is take the price of a gallon of gas and round up to the next dollar. So right now that would be $4.

Tipping someone who just brought you a pizza more than an entire gallon of gas seems reasonable. Sorry.

so you're willing to pay them for their gas but not their time? Seriously? I tip the minimum amount I'd be willing to accept to do the job I'm asking them to do--if someone said "hey will you run to target for me? I'll give you $5," would I do that? Would I do it for $10 if I were also running a bunch of errands for other people at the same time?

I rarely do any type of delivery because it gets too expensive with all the fees and tips added on, so generally, I do my own errands or wait for something to be shipped (AKA plan in advance.)

No but isn't the idea that it takes only a few minutes to run a pizza to an address within the delivery zone of the pizza company? And the pizza company is paying the driver an hourly rate right? So if that delivery guy drops off to say four customers an hour, and each gives him a $5 tip, that's $20 an hour in tips plus the base rate. So let's say $25 an hour, if a full time job that's $25 times about 2000 hours a year, or $50k. Not bad for unskilled labor.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Anyone who has ever worked in the food service industry knows this to be 100% correct with one addition: rich people are also cheap.

The wealthy & 1% are not cheap and never ask prices or look at them. When I worked at a high-end restaurant frequented by the ultra wealthy, most never looked at the bill when it arrived. They simply handed over their payment method and carried on with their conversation. Those that did look only did so to fish out the correct cash tip to hand me when also handing over their card.

The working class people who had saved for months to be able to eat there to celebrate an anniversary or birthday were also great tippers. They had studied the menus beforehand to get an idea of the price range and knew how much extra they needed for a tip. Most never tipped less than 20% and usually tipped 25-30%.

The terrible tippers and cheap ones were the middle class and "rich" people. They ran you ragged with stupid little requests to feel more important. They scrutinized the bill once it came. And they were always the ones arguing if I told them that making a substitution would cost more. Whenever a manager request came, it was always for a middle class or rich table. The worst of all was the after church crowd on Sundays.

[Anonymous]

I make a point to tip manual labor service workers excessively well. Even if the service is poor, I still tip the low end of standard.

[Anonymous]

I generally tip $5 for one item within a mile, then add $1 for each additional item and $2 for each additional mile. I add more if it’s raining. I also would add more if I lived in an apartment or street where parking is tricky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to change the broken system is to stop tipping. If tipping continues, it props up poor business practices that lead to employers not paying market based labor rates. People need to stop tipping so pressure builds on employers. It’s not the customers responsibility to subsidize the business model.

No. It won’t change anything because people are desperate for these jobs. They will just make less and DD will make the same or more (since managing tips had transaction overhead).

Just pickup your own d@mn food or use a service that DOES pay minimum wage.

If plenty of “desperate” people are willing to take these jobs, then the supply and demand in the labor market is in equilibrium. The only way to give workers more leverage is to stop bailing out their employers through subsidization. If the pay is too low, fewer people will take the jobs. That’s how markets work.

[Anonymous]

Most of my life (I am mid - late 50s), I tipped for food delivery (usually pizza, chinese food, etc - door dashing all restaurants did’t exist) not as a percentage of the price of the whole order, as I would in a restaurant, but as some flat fee that seemed reasonable/market tipping - the delivery person was not driving more than a mile or so, it really isn’t more work to deliver 2 pizzas vs pizzas and a salad, and they’d be delivering other pizzas etc not just mine.

Now, if you don’t tip 20-25% of your delivery order, you are considered cheap. I recently had a chinese restaurant exclaim at me for tipping $10 on delivery of a $70 order (which basically was 3 dishes, an app and their delivery fee plus tax). The delivery person had to drive 0.7 mi to my house. I cancelled the order, because if I have to pay $15, I can walk the 10 minutes and pick it up myself. But that probably means I’ll start ordering from there less, too.

Which leads me to frustration that there is also a trend that we need to tip on pick up orders. This started during the pandemic and I gladly did it then - I usually tipped 25% on my take out orders then. But why am I still tipping on take out? At that point, the owner should just raise prices and pass the difference on in wages (like Two Amys does) and I’d not be resentful.

I gladly tip when I am dining in, and of course always have. Someone is doing extra work then! And my meal is hot and fresh. And I am enjoying the ambiance. I tip 20% post-tax and often round up.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Anyone who has ever worked in the food service industry knows this to be 100% correct with one addition: rich people are also cheap.

The wealthy & 1% are not cheap and never ask prices or look at them. When I worked at a high-end restaurant frequented by the ultra wealthy, most never looked at the bill when it arrived. They simply handed over their payment method and carried on with their conversation. Those that did look only did so to fish out the correct cash tip to hand me when also handing over their card.

The working class people who had saved for months to be able to eat there to celebrate an anniversary or birthday were also great tippers. They had studied the menus beforehand to get an idea of the price range and knew how much extra they needed for a tip. Most never tipped less than 20% and usually tipped 25-30%.

The terrible tippers and cheap ones were the middle class and "rich" people. They ran you ragged with stupid little requests to feel more important. They scrutinized the bill once it came. And they were always the ones arguing if I told them that making a substitution would cost more. Whenever a manager request came, it was always for a middle class or rich table. The worst of all was the after church crowd on Sundays.

I object to the idea that looking at prices and failing to tip 30% is being "cheap". I am in the 1% and I absolutely pay attention to all the prices. That's a big reason why I am in the 1%. Throwing money around just because you can afford it, doesn't make a person generous. I look at receipts at the grocery store, I return spoiled produce, I request items to be replaced if they have a lifetime warranty. I hand deliver checks to avoid transaction fees, I use coupons, I search for promo codes before ordering online, I never buy clothes unless they are on sale, I buy used books. And yes, I look at restaurant receipts and ask to be refunded for items that did not show up to the table. I tip 20% for normal restaurant service, more if deserved.

The people who never look at a check and tip 30% without even knowing the amount are not being generous to waitstaff. They are posturing and feeling the power of being wealthy. They want to be perceived as wealthy, and this is how they think wealthy people behave. You have no idea how much money a person really has. I have seen plenty of people with platinum cards who are in serious debt. But they still spend lavishly because they want to be considered wealthy. Last winter, I had to wait in line behind a couple at ski school who went through 4 credit cards before finding one that wasn't declined to cover ski school for their kids. The wife was in full Bogner. It was pretty sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Anyone who has ever worked in the food service industry knows this to be 100% correct with one addition: rich people are also cheap.

The wealthy & 1% are not cheap and never ask prices or look at them. When I worked at a high-end restaurant frequented by the ultra wealthy, most never looked at the bill when it arrived. They simply handed over their payment method and carried on with their conversation. Those that did look only did so to fish out the correct cash tip to hand me when also handing over their card.

The working class people who had saved for months to be able to eat there to celebrate an anniversary or birthday were also great tippers. They had studied the menus beforehand to get an idea of the price range and knew how much extra they needed for a tip. Most never tipped less than 20% and usually tipped 25-30%.

The terrible tippers and cheap ones were the middle class and "rich" people. They ran you ragged with stupid little requests to feel more important. They scrutinized the bill once it came. And they were always the ones arguing if I told them that making a substitution would cost more. Whenever a manager request came, it was always for a middle class or rich table. The worst of all was the after church crowd on Sundays.

I object to the idea that looking at prices and failing to tip 30% is being "cheap". I am in the 1% and I absolutely pay attention to all the prices. That's a big reason why I am in the 1%. Throwing money around just because you can afford it, doesn't make a person generous. I look at receipts at the grocery store, I return spoiled produce, I request items to be replaced if they have a lifetime warranty. I hand deliver checks to avoid transaction fees, I use coupons, I search for promo codes before ordering online, I never buy clothes unless they are on sale, I buy used books. And yes, I look at restaurant receipts and ask to be refunded for items that did not show up to the table. I tip 20% for normal restaurant service, more if deserved.

The people who never look at a check and tip 30% without even knowing the amount are not being generous to waitstaff. They are posturing and feeling the power of being wealthy. They want to be perceived as wealthy, and this is how they think wealthy people behave. You have no idea how much money a person really has. I have seen plenty of people with platinum cards who are in serious debt. But they still spend lavishly because they want to be considered wealthy. Last winter, I had to wait in line behind a couple at ski school who went through 4 credit cards before finding one that wasn't declined to cover ski school for their kids. The wife was in full Bogner. It was pretty sad.

This is NYC and the people at these private clubs are well known. Everyone knows how much money they have. Billionaires, Russians, Asians are also dining at these clubs and they tip way over 20%. I seriously doubt you are in their lane, especially if you claim you’re in the 1% because you’re cheap.

Of course not everyone but this is general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't think someone going to pick up your food and bring it to your house requires a tip?

No I don’t. I live in California so we pay $9-11 in fees on a $20 order, because we also pay for the drivers to have benefits. I’m not tipping you when I’m helping pay your health insurance. I don’t even get health insurance through work!

My job, which requires a graduate degree, pays $50/hour. I don't get paid for any time that I don't work, and that includes bathroom breaks. No job security, no vacation, no benefits. But for some reason, I have to tip everyone else, and the people receiving these tips think the minimum wage should be as high as 25/hour.

I do support a much higher minimum wage. But tipping needs to go. And also, if minimum wage is even 15/hour, then entry level jobs requiring a BA need to pay more since they barely pay more than the equivalent of 15/hour now. And then if those jobs are paying the equivalent of 25-30/hour, then mine should be paying at least 70. I don't think minimum wage workers understand that a lot of people are making 35K per year with a college degree and aren't getting any tips.

You know by now that income does not correlate with education.

My dd is in NYC, early 20s, among the thousands trying make it in the arts. She works part time at night in a private dinner club as a host. Her base salary is $45 per hour. Tips more than double her salary. Before that she worked in a high end restaurant as a hostess. $15 per hour plus tips. People would hand her $100 for seating them. Some of the regular Wall Street guys would give all the front house staff a $50 bill when they walked in.

The 1% are not cheap. It’s the middle income that’s cheap. The working class guys will tip their last dollar because they understand.

Anyone who has ever worked in the food service industry knows this to be 100% correct with one addition: rich people are also cheap.

The wealthy & 1% are not cheap and never ask prices or look at them. When I worked at a high-end restaurant frequented by the ultra wealthy, most never looked at the bill when it arrived. They simply handed over their payment method and carried on with their conversation. Those that did look only did so to fish out the correct cash tip to hand me when also handing over their card.

The working class people who had saved for months to be able to eat there to celebrate an anniversary or birthday were also great tippers. They had studied the menus beforehand to get an idea of the price range and knew how much extra they needed for a tip. Most never tipped less than 20% and usually tipped 25-30%.

The terrible tippers and cheap ones were the middle class and "rich" people. They ran you ragged with stupid little requests to feel more important. They scrutinized the bill once it came. And they were always the ones arguing if I told them that making a substitution would cost more. Whenever a manager request came, it was always for a middle class or rich table. The worst of all was the after church crowd on Sundays.

I object to the idea that looking at prices and failing to tip 30% is being "cheap". I am in the 1% and I absolutely pay attention to all the prices. That's a big reason why I am in the 1%. Throwing money around just because you can afford it, doesn't make a person generous. I look at receipts at the grocery store, I return spoiled produce, I request items to be replaced if they have a lifetime warranty. I hand deliver checks to avoid transaction fees, I use coupons, I search for promo codes before ordering online, I never buy clothes unless they are on sale, I buy used books. And yes, I look at restaurant receipts and ask to be refunded for items that did not show up to the table. I tip 20% for normal restaurant service, more if deserved.

The people who never look at a check and tip 30% without even knowing the amount are not being generous to waitstaff. They are posturing and feeling the power of being wealthy. They want to be perceived as wealthy, and this is how they think wealthy people behave. You have no idea how much money a person really has. I have seen plenty of people with platinum cards who are in serious debt. But they still spend lavishly because they want to be considered wealthy. Last winter, I had to wait in line behind a couple at ski school who went through 4 credit cards before finding one that wasn't declined to cover ski school for their kids. The wife was in full Bogner. It was pretty sad.

No one gets rich by buying used books. You get rich by making it or inheriting it, you don't actually get rich by saving. If anything, your cheapness costs time and the one thing that wealthy people seem to value is time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I generally tip $5 for one item within a mile, then add $1 for each additional item and $2 for each additional mile. I add more if it’s raining. I also would add more if I lived in an apartment or street where parking is tricky.

Way too complicated. Do people really do this? I top 15-20%, period. This is fair. I'm not responsible for the economic or societal issues of the day. And I worked PLENTY of service jobs in my day.