Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Ya wanna know what I'm sick of? I'm sick of your constant "blasted in my face" "shoved down my throat" rhetoric. I grew up in the '70s and '80s and there were rainbows all over kids stuff and NOBODY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT and it DIDN'T TURN ANYONE GAY OR TRANS. The constant nonstop barrage of right wing freakouts is too damn much and y'all need to STFU.

Did rainbow brite symbolize LGBT?

Why is that relevant? You're not a serious person.

Contention is rainbow did not make people become LGBT, but in 1980s is rainbow considered mainstream LGBT or child's toy? I agree that the rainbow do not cast spell to make people become LGBT, however gallup data do show that more people claim LGBT (20% gen z).

That is major societial shift in very short time period. Is it realistic? Is it people convinced turned LGBT? Or is true natural population of people is 20%? People say that you can't turn people LGBT, then why such rapid change?

[Anonymous]

I don't understand where the hand-wringing about promiscuity is coming from. Young people are having less sex than ever.

[Anonymous]

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That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

What exactly is the human right that is being denied?

For example, states are banning medical treatment for transgender individuals. Some state for minors, and seven states for adults. In Missouri it's all ages. Certainly you know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

This has nothing to do with human rights. A man is welcome to dress and act like a stereotypical woman. It is none of my business what he does. But he is not a woman, and so his rights may conflict with women's rights. Do you really think it is a violation of human rights to prevent men from participating in women's sports?

The situation is quite different with gays and lesbians, who don't require any affirmation from straight people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

See, you are in violent agreement with us. We also want them to be normal and think that most of them are normal. But that isn't what the activists are force feeding us. The activists are linking abnormal, aggressively hypersexual content to the essence of being LGBT. I don't think it is, and I reject that, and so do you. Welcome!

Okay, I’m willing to be open-minded about this then. Through this lens please explain the hate toward Dylan Mulvaney and the Target trans merch backlash please. I don’t see either of those things as hypersexual content. Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

This has nothing to do with human rights. A man is welcome to dress and act like a stereotypical woman. It is none of my business what he does. But he is not a woman, and so his rights may conflict with women's rights. Do you really think it is a violation of human rights to prevent men from participating in women's sports?

The situation is quite different with gays and lesbians, who don't require any affirmation from straight people

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

See, you are in violent agreement with us. We also want them to be normal and think that most of them are normal. But that isn't what the activists are force feeding us. The activists are linking abnormal, aggressively hypersexual content to the essence of being LGBT. I don't think it is, and I reject that, and so do you. Welcome!

Okay, I’m willing to be open-minded about this then. Through this lens please explain the hate toward Dylan Mulvaney and the Target trans merch backlash please. I don’t see either of those things as hypersexual content. Thank you!

DP. That's because your eyes are closed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

This has nothing to do with human rights. A man is welcome to dress and act like a stereotypical woman. It is none of my business what he does. But he is not a woman, and so his rights may conflict with women's rights. Do you really think it is a violation of human rights to prevent men from participating in women's sports?

The situation is quite different with gays and lesbians, who don't require any affirmation from straight people

I think it's a violation of human rights to deny them transgender medical care approved by doctors. It's gotten to the point where states are going after young adults and Missouri banned it for adults of all ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

I don’t want them to cease existing! I just want single-sex spaces. Is that denying anyone their right to live?

Yep! Where should they go to the bathroom then? Women feel uncomfortable. Men feel uncomfortable. Most just want to do their business and get out. The man who dresses up as a woman to prey on women is a bogeyman. If some monster wants to prey on women he’ll just go in and do it. I promise he won’t go through the trouble of dressing up.

Are we talking about bathrooms or are we talking about locker rooms where people change clothes and shower?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want you to keep it in the bedroom. I don't want it blasted in my face 24/7. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to know you as Larlo who makes a mean hamburger, not Larla the flamboyant lesbian.

Yeah well we can have that once there are no longer people trying to eradicate the LGBTQ community. And please say those people don't exist. There are still huge swaths of people, mostly from conservative religious communities, who think that it is sinful to be LGBTQ, that they are subhumans, that they don't deserve all the rights that heteros have, that they should be able to discriminate against that community.

And no one is "making" you talk about this. Sorry if you think it's blasting it in your face to watch a film or tv show with a gay couple. Or to see someone in drag. Or to see a trans person. It clearly makes you uncomfortable. What if your very being and appearance made others uncomfortable and you were asked to change the way you dressed/presented yourself because of that?

You're completely unhinged. I work in a very liberal place and get constant emails about "pride programming" including sales of materials (pins, tshirts, flags etc), webinars, pride parade, fundraisers (bake sale etc), and had to sit through an hour of brainwashing by an activist guest speaker under the guise of a team building activity. It's not just right wing blasting.

It's a response to right wing blasting. It seems like what you want is for everyone to just shut up and sit down when trans people are attacked. Until people stop directing hate towards trans people, I will never, ever shut up.

All I want is for trans people to just be able to exist and live. The majority are not abnormally sexually promiscuous and trying to promote sexual promiscuity like some poster a few back is trying to allege. Why can't trans people to just be able to exist and lead normal lives?

See, you are in violent agreement with us. We also want them to be normal and think that most of them are normal. But that isn't what the activists are force feeding us. The activists are linking abnormal, aggressively hypersexual content to the essence of being LGBT. I don't think it is, and I reject that, and so do you. Welcome!

Okay, I’m willing to be open-minded about this then. Through this lens please explain the hate toward Dylan Mulvaney and the Target trans merch backlash please. I don’t see either of those things as hypersexual content. Thank you!

DP. That's because your eyes are closed.

Then please open my eyes and explain. I am responding to you in good faith. I literally don’t understand how this is hypersexual

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

This has nothing to do with human rights. A man is welcome to dress and act like a stereotypical woman. It is none of my business what he does. But he is not a woman, and so his rights may conflict with women's rights. Do you really think it is a violation of human rights to prevent men from participating in women's sports?

The situation is quite different with gays and lesbians, who don't require any affirmation from straight people

I think it's a violation of human rights to deny them transgender medical care approved by doctors. It's gotten to the point where states are going after young adults and Missouri banned it for adults of all ages.

Would you generally trust medical associations with more experience with T children? Cuz they’re pretty uniformly backing away from “affirming” medical care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That's what bothers people. Its not LGBQ. It's the T.

I agree. It is very easy for me to empathize with LGB people. They feel attraction to members of their own sex, just like I feel attraction to members of the opposite sex. Both straight and gay people can feel deep love.

But I can't empathize with transgender people. What does it mean that a man feels like a woman? How does he know what a woman feels like? Is it just because he likes stereotypically women's things? The idea that we must behave stereotypically according to our sex is setting social progress back 100 years. It is fine for men to cry, wear dresses, and like knitting.

Whenever I see the word "trans" I assume that it is short for "transsexual" -- a man who enjoys presenting as a stereotypical female (or vice versa).

Why do you have to know what it feels like, in order to tolerate others? Did men have to understand what it feels like to be a woman for them to get equal rights under the law?? No. And it should not. Someone else's human rights should not hinge on your feelings for them, like you're deciding to save the koala but not a dingo.

What exactly is the human right that is being denied?

For example, states are banning medical treatment for transgender individuals. Some state for minors, and seven states for adults. In Missouri it's all ages. Certainly you know that.

What types of medical treatment is being banned? Aortic bypasses? Appendectomies? Cataract surgeries? I agree with you that it would be a violation of human rights if such medical treatments are being banned for anyone.