Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"

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Anonymous wrote:"She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

This is not appropriate for children. Shame on anyone pushing a book with this kind of filth.

Sorry. What book is that from?

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Anonymous wrote:"She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

This is not appropriate for children. Shame on anyone pushing a book with this kind of filth.

Sorry. What book is that from?

Ezekiel 23:20

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

So you’re ok with a book that also gives tips about how to meet men on Grindr? See, with every word you write, it’s blindingly obvious that you actually *want* kids to be exposed to inappropriate sexual material. Sure, they can find all of this online if they’re so inclined. How on earth does that make it ok for schools to willingly provide this garbage to them? Your views are so out of the norm that there’s really no point in engaging further.

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Anonymous wrote:On the plus side, the idiots banning everything have just given all the kids a handy reading list of everything their parents don't want them to read.

You know they are going to be reading all this, as soon as they can get their hands on a copy, when they probably would have never read it in the school library.

Great. At least we don't have school administrators and librarians willing to help them access inappropriate material. I know that disappoints you.

No. The fact that you didn't realize this before you started banning books disappoints me.

It's common sense if you are a teacher, administrator or librarian. If a book is assigned to students, they typically don't want to read it. If you tell them it is banned, they immediately want to read it.

If educators were able to indoctrinate students like you like, test scores would be sky high and kids wouldn't have to be forced to read.

No one has to ‘tell them it’s banned’ unless there’s an agenda. Just don’t have the books available.

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But there is most definitely an agenda, as these posters are proving, over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

So you’re ok with a book that also gives tips about how to meet men on Grindr? See, with every word you write, it’s blindingly obvious that you actually *want* kids to be exposed to inappropriate sexual material. Sure, they can find all of this online if they’re so inclined. How on earth does that make it ok for schools to willingly provide this garbage to them? Your views are so out of the norm that there’s really no point in engaging further.

Again, the sexual emission of horses is something Christians are pushing on our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

I wouldn’t think a book that tells heterosexual kids about Tinder is appropriate in a school setting, in the same way that I don’t think a book that tells them about Grindr is appropriate.

Exactly! Honestly, is it just one troll here or are there several?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

So you’re ok with a book that also gives tips about how to meet men on Grindr? See, with every word you write, it’s blindingly obvious that you actually *want* kids to be exposed to inappropriate sexual material. Sure, they can find all of this online if they’re so inclined. How on earth does that make it ok for schools to willingly provide this garbage to them? Your views are so out of the norm that there’s really no point in engaging further.

Again, the sexual emission of horses is something Christians are pushing on our kids.

WTAF are you babbling about?

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Anonymous wrote:On the plus side, the idiots banning everything have just given all the kids a handy reading list of everything their parents don't want them to read.

You know they are going to be reading all this, as soon as they can get their hands on a copy, when they probably would have never read it in the school library.

Great. At least we don't have school administrators and librarians willing to help them access inappropriate material. I know that disappoints you.

No. The fact that you didn't realize this before you started banning books disappoints me.

It's common sense if you are a teacher, administrator or librarian. If a book is assigned to students, they typically don't want to read it. If you tell them it is banned, they immediately want to read it.

If educators were able to indoctrinate students like you like, test scores would be sky high and kids wouldn't have to be forced to read.

No one has to ‘tell them it’s banned’ unless there’s an agenda. Just don’t have the books available.

So now, in addition to telling everyone what you think is appropriate for libraries, you expect to silence parents from talking to their own children about the dangers of book banning? Because that has some sort of agenda? I talked to my kids from when they were 2 years old about how lucky they are to read whatever they wanted. And that back in the day, people couldn’t read. And when people did learn to read, they were banned from reading certain things. It is something we have talked about all their lives.

DP. And did you hand your two year old books about gay sex (or sex in general) and how to hook up on Grindr? If not, why? If so… why?

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Anonymous wrote:On the plus side, the idiots banning everything have just given all the kids a handy reading list of everything their parents don't want them to read.

You know they are going to be reading all this, as soon as they can get their hands on a copy, when they probably would have never read it in the school library.

Great. At least we don't have school administrators and librarians willing to help them access inappropriate material. I know that disappoints you.

Inappropriate as defined by you. That is problem here. You have taken it on yourself to determine what all children should access - not only your own. If you don’t want your kids reading certain things, instill that in your kids. I want my kids to read anything they want to. I don’t control their reading material because I am pretty sure they’ll only access things they can handle. I do limit their movies because they don’t seem to be able to self regulate. Know your own kids - it’s not that hard.

Wow, zero self-awareness. If you DO want your kids to access books that many parents consider inappropriate, then knock yourself out! Buy them yourself. Go to any public library and check them out. They do NOT have to be accessible at a public school. How would you like it if public schools decided to show kids the movies that you deem inappropriate for YOUR kids? Hypocrisy runs rampant here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

Because gay sex is icky & makes Baby Jesus cry. Married, procreative missionary sex with the lights out is all part of God’s plan so long as no one enjoys it too much.

Thanks for confirming you are an absolute idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

Because heterosexual sex can result in pregnancy and it makes sense to educate kids (though I think it should be done via a class and nurse). Gay sex does not.

I understand that’s what you think. But why should our policy be based on what you think alone?

Ask yourself the same question.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

So you’re ok with a book that also gives tips about how to meet men on Grindr? See, with every word you write, it’s blindingly obvious that you actually *want* kids to be exposed to inappropriate sexual material. Sure, they can find all of this online if they’re so inclined. How on earth does that make it ok for schools to willingly provide this garbage to them? Your views are so out of the norm that there’s really no point in engaging further.

Again, the sexual emission of horses is something Christians are pushing on our kids.

Sorry - who exactly is pushing the Bible on anyone, let alone your kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On the plus side, the idiots banning everything have just given all the kids a handy reading list of everything their parents don't want them to read.

You know they are going to be reading all this, as soon as they can get their hands on a copy, when they probably would have never read it in the school library.

Great. At least we don't have school administrators and librarians willing to help them access inappropriate material. I know that disappoints you.

Inappropriate as defined by you. That is problem here. You have taken it on yourself to determine what all children should access - not only your own. If you don’t want your kids reading certain things, instill that in your kids. I want my kids to read anything they want to. I don’t control their reading material because I am pretty sure they’ll only access things they can handle. I do limit their movies because they don’t seem to be able to self regulate. Know your own kids - it’s not that hard.

Wow, zero self-awareness. If you DO want your kids to access books that many parents consider inappropriate, then knock yourself out! Buy them yourself. Go to any public library and check them out. They do NOT have to be accessible at a public school. How would you like it if public schools decided to show kids the movies that you deem inappropriate for YOUR kids? Hypocrisy runs rampant here.

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Anonymous wrote:On the plus side, the idiots banning everything have just given all the kids a handy reading list of everything their parents don't want them to read.

You know they are going to be reading all this, as soon as they can get their hands on a copy, when they probably would have never read it in the school library.

Great. At least we don't have school administrators and librarians willing to help them access inappropriate material. I know that disappoints you.

No. The fact that you didn't realize this before you started banning books disappoints me.

It's common sense if you are a teacher, administrator or librarian. If a book is assigned to students, they typically don't want to read it. If you tell them it is banned, they immediately want to read it.

If educators were able to indoctrinate students like you like, test scores would be sky high and kids wouldn't have to be forced to read.

No one has to ‘tell them it’s banned’ unless there’s an agenda. Just don’t have the books available.

So now, in addition to telling everyone what you think is appropriate for libraries, you expect to silence parents from talking to their own children about the dangers of book banning? Because that has some sort of agenda? I talked to my kids from when they were 2 years old about how lucky they are to read whatever they wanted. And that back in the day, people couldn’t read. And when people did learn to read, they were banned from reading certain things. It is something we have talked about all their lives.

DP. And did you hand your two year old books about gay sex (or sex in general) and how to hook up on Grindr? If not, why? If so… why?

Nope I didn’t hand my kids books about sex, gay or otherwise. Because I made the choice for my kids on how I want to parent. You are free to do the same.

Here’s what I didn’t do. Rally to make sure libraries didn’t have books on sex, even when they could be accessed by my 2 year old. I had fairly high confidence in my parenting (and my child’s literacy 😀) that even if they came across something I wouldnt have chosen, I can handle it and use it as a learning opportunity.

That is the issue here. You believe your 10 year old shouldn’t be exposed to some material so you don’t want it in the school library. I believe you should tell your kids what you do and don’t want them doing and why. But not lecture me if I don’t care if my 10 year old sees that material. And as has been pointed out before, the books you really have issue with are not generally in elementary school libraries. So in effect you want to control what my 16 year old can find in her school library. Which is all kinds of crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/

Educate yourself.

It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?

Feel free to buy this book for your own kid. Or get it from the public library for your own kid.

You don't get it. If libraries have books about how heterosexual sex happens - One was given out in my fifth grade sex ed class 30 years ago which talked about that hetero sex, masturbation, and more - why can't a book talk about how gay sex works?

Because heterosexual sex can result in pregnancy and it makes sense to educate kids (though I think it should be done via a class and nurse). Gay sex does not.

I understand that’s what you think. But why should our policy be based on what you think alone?

Ask yourself the same question.
DP

Because generally in our society, we don’t try to censor stuff and allow individuals to make choices from themselves and their children. The burden of proof is really on those who wish to ban stuff - whether it’s a book about two mommies or the Bible.