Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.

Are you saying that you don’t want to control what your kids have access to?

If I filled your kids’ school library with books like Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, Unintended Consequences, and biblical tracts, would you be all right with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.

I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?

I am a liberal. I would have zero issues with a book of creationism in my kid’s library. So long as it was no being presented as science, and it was shelved with the myths or world philosophies or whatever, I would wholeheartedly support this. I do not support nook banning.

That is entirely different than what is being taught in schools and what is on the curriculum. I would have a problem with creationism or religion being taught. They can certainly be discussed in the appropriate classes, though.

“Control of kids” for us comes from many many hours spent talking about world view. I believe my kids know what we think. They should be free to come to terms with what they believe and part of that is access to books and media. I do not wish to control that even if my non Christian kid picks up a Bible and becomes some sort of charismatic Christian.

NP. Speaking as a liberal, you sound low IQed and so full of sh-t that it’s coming out of your ears. If your child became a fundamentalist, pro-life Neo-Nazi determined to repeal thr 19th amendment and stamp trans ideology out of society, the only way you wouldn’t crap a brick and go to work attacking his views is if you’re a racist, woman-hating fool yourself. This whole pretense by some of the clowns on our side that you don’t care how your kids end up and all you want is for them to have access to information is just stupid and buffoonish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love this.

Give the right fascists some of their own medicine.

Of course, they will be hypocritical and make an exception.

But still, perhaps it will cause ONE of them will think for a change.

But conservative Utah was the one that made the decision. What are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.

I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?

I am a liberal. I would have zero issues with a book of creationism in my kid’s library. So long as it was no being presented as science, and it was shelved with the myths or world philosophies or whatever, I would wholeheartedly support this. I do not support nook banning.

That is entirely different than what is being taught in schools and what is on the curriculum. I would have a problem with creationism or religion being taught. They can certainly be discussed in the appropriate classes, though.

“Control of kids” for us comes from many many hours spent talking about world view. I believe my kids know what we think. They should be free to come to terms with what they believe and part of that is access to books and media. I do not wish to control that even if my non Christian kid picks up a Bible and becomes some sort of charismatic Christian.

“As long as I can control exactly where those books are and how they are categorized, they are fine with me.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love this.

Give the right fascists some of their own medicine.

Of course, they will be hypocritical and make an exception.

But still, perhaps it will cause ONE of them will think for a change.

But conservative Utah was the one that made the decision. What are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.

I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?

I am a liberal. I would have zero issues with a book of creationism in my kid’s library. So long as it was no being presented as science, and it was shelved with the myths or world philosophies or whatever, I would wholeheartedly support this. I do not support nook banning.

That is entirely different than what is being taught in schools and what is on the curriculum. I would have a problem with creationism or religion being taught. They can certainly be discussed in the appropriate classes, though.

“Control of kids” for us comes from many many hours spent talking about world view. I believe my kids know what we think. They should be free to come to terms with what they believe and part of that is access to books and media. I do not wish to control that even if my non Christian kid picks up a Bible and becomes some sort of charismatic Christian.

NP. Speaking as a liberal, you sound low IQed and so full of sh-t that it’s coming out of your ears. If your child became a fundamentalist, pro-life Neo-Nazi determined to repeal thr 19th amendment and stamp trans ideology out of society, the only way you wouldn’t crap a brick and go to work attacking his views is if you’re a racist, woman-hating fool yourself. This whole pretense by some of the clowns on our side that you don’t care how your kids end up and all you want is for them to have access to information is just stupid and buffoonish.

+ a million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Right. Because you think today’s kids who are practically born with a smartphone in their hands can’t figure out how to access porn or Grindr on their own? What century are you living in?

There’s a difference between what they find on their own and what is provided to them by people in positions of authority like their school. Those books would not be tolerated on my desk in my workplace. Why are they in our schools?

Exactly. I was impressed that in Florida, no book is allowed in school unless it's also allowed to be read aloud at a school board meeting. I'm remembering how the parents who read excerpts from "Gender Queer" et al were immediately shut down in school board meetings because of the inappropriate, lewd content. But the same SBs said it was perfectly ok to have these books in school libraries. There seems to be zero common sense among administrators and sadly, among many parents.

School board members actually thought they were ‘turning it on the parents’ by shutting down the reading calling it lewd’. Some were not smart enough to even realize the irony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.

Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.

Are you saying that you don’t want to control what your kids have access to?

If I filled your kids’ school library with books like Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, Unintended Consequences, and biblical tracts, would you be all right with that?

DP I'd have no problem with a high school class that read these books analytically to teach kids how to spot misinformation, propaganda, anti-semitism, etc. Critical reading skills are very important, as are media interpretation skills. I had a history class in college where we read excerpts of Mein Kampf. You can't understand something by ignoring it.

And seeing how I grew up watching all sorts of risque movies in the 1980s, I don't know what the big deal is about high schoolers reading Gender Queer, which isn't anywhere near as graphic as some of those 80s and 90s films.

I also used to read lots of romance novels as a teen and plenty of those are extremely steamy. And what about the Judy Blume books??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?

Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.

So younger kids are banned from reading them?

Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.

LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.

Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?

If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.

[Anonymous]

Now the question is, did they take the Book of Mormon out too?