Ralph Yarl: Sweet, young teen shot trying to pick up siblings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is interesting:

Missouri passed a “Stand Your Ground” bill in 2016. Under the law, a person may use physical force if they reasonably believe they are under threat and have no duty to retreat. According to a study released last year, homicides drastically rose in Missouri after the law was enacted.

Not surprised but I also hate this wishy washy language. “Reasonably believe’ to me means ‘as long as the psychopathic murderer says they felt threatened, they are innocent’. You could claim all sorts of crap and get away with it.

“Reasonably” in the law means an objective standard not a subjective one — would a reasonable person in that circumstance feel endangered. The problem is that “reasonable” is judged after the fact, by a jury who may also be crazy yahoos. Also, even if the jury is good and the guy gets Congo it’s, that doesn’t help the person who has been shot. These laws are just awful and pretty much only supported by racist gun nuts like the guy who shot Trayvon Martin. I would not want to live in a stand your group state and definitely not if I were a black person.

PP again and thanks for the clarification. I just can’t see how reasonable is objective when it is so dependent on the person sitting on the jury. But your post seems to also find that troubling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

100% this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is interesting:

Missouri passed a “Stand Your Ground” bill in 2016. Under the law, a person may use physical force if they reasonably believe they are under threat and have no duty to retreat. According to a study released last year, homicides drastically rose in Missouri after the law was enacted.

These stupid stand your ground laws embolden the nut jobs. They all have fantasies about being hailed as a right wing 2nd amendment hero. They want to play hero like some little kid, rather than function like a mature adult.

This is spot on. They want to cosplay “hero”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

100% this.

We know the victim was an innocent Black youth and the killer was white.

All you need to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in here is showing racism by the comments "white man with a gun". Who cares if the person is person responsible is purple. The point of this story (as per what was posted) should be a young teen was shot trying to pick up siblings at the wrong address. The story only propels when race is brought into it, and by reading the prior comments, none of you are any better.
Before you try to to say I am a gun supporter, I am not and I am not white.

This is absolutely correct. I have reserved any judgement (other than internal sympathy for the pain this family is suffering at this moment) wanting to hear more about why this homeowner felt he needed to do this? It boggles the mind, is he a racist? Is the portrayal by our news media showing the "predominantly black" mobs looting stores or destroying downtowns as evidenced this past weekend in Chicago triggering a threat to someone like this man/woman? If you live a relatively secluded life within your community with you simple weekly tasks and do not socialize much outside of your household/community are you more apt to feel threatened by a strange "black" person showing up at your door? I am white, I thought about this when I opened my door to the three little black boys offering to move our garbage cans from the side of the house to the front curb on pick up morning (they live in the neighborhood and are trying to earn some Summer money, cute), and this incident had just made the news. I would never react that way but I am well traveled and my neighborhood, as well as my children's schools (when they attended) is/are very diverse, and by this I do not mean one of three POC. Our sports teams are not all white and it's always been that way in my community. Was this man's community Lilly white? If this is the case, and god I hope there is an explanation from this man/woman who shot this poor boy that will bring tears to my eyes, what in the world can we do to help people like this open their worldview. A child is a child, and yes, even when I lived in Baltimore City and was harassed by the squeegee boys I always found that they really meant no harm and just wanted attention, someone to care not just our money. What on earth can a person do to try and get a person like this out in the world and interacting with more of these children/people so they don't see them as an instant threat? I'm truly curious how I might approach this were I see it in my own community?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

100% this.

We know the victim was an innocent Black youth and the killer was white.

All you need to know.

Okay, judge and jury. Well that saved a lot of money. Thank you for your service.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

Wtf. Why? The person reacted out of fear and shot this poor innocent kid! The perpetrator had choices. He could have NOT opened the door! When strangers knock on my door, I often don’t open it.

The LAST thing I would ever do, is pull out a gun and shoot them, for godsakes. We know this child was innocent. And now his life has been taken. I hope the person who shot him rots in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America has never been more racist than it is right now.

Are you in high school?

Apparently you aren't aware that the media loves to race bait. If the victim was white, this story would receive much less attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

Wtf. Why? The person reacted out of fear and shot this poor innocent kid! The perpetrator had choices. He could have NOT opened the door! When strangers knock on my door, I often don’t open it.

The LAST thing I would ever do, is pull out a gun and shoot them, for godsakes. We know this child was innocent. And now his life has been taken. I hope the person who shot him rots in jail.

He didn’t react out of fear.

He reacted out of racism!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't I find any news articles about this, OP?

This seems like a you problem. https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/us/kansas-city-teen-shot-wrong-house/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

Wtf. Why? The person reacted out of fear and shot this poor innocent kid! The perpetrator had choices. He could have NOT opened the door! When strangers knock on my door, I often don’t open it.

The LAST thing I would ever do, is pull out a gun and shoot them, for godsakes. We know this child was innocent. And now his life has been taken. I hope the person who shot him rots in jail.

He didn’t react out of fear.

He reacted out of racism!

The two (fear and racism) are connected. Racists are afraid. Especially racist men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the poor Japanese foreign exchange student who, along with his friend, went to the wrong address looking for a Halloween party and was shot to death by the homeowner (white male, of course).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50063364

Read your linked article. Sad to see the young host recently died by suicide. Wonder if the effects from the incident continued to impact him.

https://obits.theadvocate.com/us/obituaries/theadvocate/name/webb-haymaker-obituary?id=33656123

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

Wtf. Why? The person reacted out of fear and shot this poor innocent kid! The perpetrator had choices. He could have NOT opened the door! When strangers knock on my door, I often don’t open it.

The LAST thing I would ever do, is pull out a gun and shoot them, for godsakes. We know this child was innocent. And now his life has been taken. I hope the person who shot him rots in jail.

Maybe it'll transpire that the kid was dealing drugs and it was a deal that went south.

Who knows. There's very little information. More will come out in due time. Maybe the allegation is right. Or maybe there's a lot more to it than we are being told for now. There have been plenty of instances when something that initially seemed like a horrible tragedy turned out to be much murkier once more information was released.

That's why I reserve all judgement until more is known and don't resort to knee jerk emotional reaction.

The shooter is in his 80s so, no, I don't think it was a "drug deal that went south."

Potential dementia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of emotions but very little information so far.

I reserve all judgement until more is known.

Wtf. Why? The person reacted out of fear and shot this poor innocent kid! The perpetrator had choices. He could have NOT opened the door! When strangers knock on my door, I often don’t open it.

The LAST thing I would ever do, is pull out a gun and shoot them, for godsakes. We know this child was innocent. And now his life has been taken. I hope the person who shot him rots in jail.

Luckily the teenager did not die. He survived and was released home last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the poor Japanese foreign exchange student who, along with his friend, went to the wrong address looking for a Halloween party and was shot to death by the homeowner (white male, of course).

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50063364

Read your linked article. Sad to see the young host recently died by suicide. Wonder if the effects from the incident continued to impact him.

https://obits.theadvocate.com/us/obituaries/theadvocate/name/webb-haymaker-obituary?id=33656123

Wow that’s so sad. We desperately need people like him.