S/O You can be canceled even if you aren’t a bigot, it happened to me

[Anonymous]

Actually, some of the Native Americans did quite a lot to help the early colonists, as did, for instance, the Wampanoag in New England.

[Anonymous]

what IS racist about that?

Just BCS, you don't know you are racist does not make you any less racist. The guy at work is a bigot. Plus, way to showcase your lack of knowledge about discrimination. There is a reason he said that, to prove that he is just as disadvantaged!!!! as those immigrants. Plus, to showcase his hate for new immigrants.
Way to go bigots of the world.

This is where the refusal to discuss meaning, context and intent is tragic. For some people and generations the concepts”we are all immigrants” is meant to signal resistance and refute to the concept that “real Americans “ are white Christians who are not recent immigrants. A response to “go back to where you came from,” a reminder that migration, whether forced or chosen, has defined this country. No less than Obama used this quote multiple times.

As a recent immigrant, you feel there should be a distinction between your experience and the experience of the white person you describe as a colonist; that is a good discussion to have and could be a teachable moment, on both sides, to explain intent and discuss the gap between the two of you. Why from your perspective your experiences are different, without resorting to calling him a bigot. You can explain that for you this coming cost erases the distinction of those who came to exploit and those who came to flee. But is what he said bigoted? Or does he lack an understanding of your perspective and what is a relatively recent critical stance in academic writing? Do you understand why he said what he did and the intent behind it? You assume he’s trying to claim a status you feel he does not deserve but is it possible he meant it in the Barack Obama way?What he trying to hide his actions or signal some kind of solidarity? ? Is it that you feel erased by his comments? Finally you are also assuming this man is a colonist descendant. Is that the case of his family? What about Irish immigrants during the potato famine? Jewish immigrants in the 1890s? The incredibly crude identity politics I see now is not really reflective of most peoples lives, families, pathways.

Finally to OP. I would stop posting here. I completely understand that what you describe is possible. I work in a very “woke” environment with a lot of white people who use virtual signaling to try to maintain their positions of power in a rapidly changing field. I have seen some very prominent people cancelled (even though extensive investigations showed no racist remarks or behavior) and have seen how they were abandoned by coworkers and colleagues. Some because they were afraid to be lumped in the same category and some because it was a power move. One of these canceled people was ultimately the subject of a very long piece in a magazine which illuminated the sordid story (and showed the accuser was mentally unwell) but it didn’t matter. They had been professionally and personally made invisible and it really didn’t matter what the reality was once perception rumor took hold. No one wants to be I. The wrong side of race and will throw colleagues under the bus if their own position is threatened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, some of the Native Americans did quite a lot to help the early colonists, as did, for instance, the Wampanoag in New England.

You mean the "immigrants," right? No COLONISTS! Cause we are all "immigrants here! LOL!
Wiat, there is also a speech that some try to erase about Pilgrims doing their best to kill all the Indian demons that helped them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This is where the refusal to discuss meaning, context and intent is tragic. For some people and generations the concepts”we are all immigrants” is meant to signal resistance and refute to the concept that “real Americans “ are white Christians who are not recent immigrants. A response to “go back to where you came from,” a reminder that migration, whether forced or chosen, has defined this country. No less than Obama used this quote multiple times.

As a recent immigrant, you feel there should be a distinction between your experience and the experience of the white person you describe as a colonist; that is a good discussion to have and could be a teachable moment, on both sides, to explain intent and discuss the gap between the two of you. Why from your perspective your experiences are different, without resorting to calling him a bigot. You can explain that for you this coming cost erases the distinction of those who came to exploit and those who came to flee. But is what he said bigoted? Or does he lack an understanding of your perspective and what is a relatively recent critical stance in academic writing? Do you understand why he said what he did and the intent behind it? You assume he’s trying to claim a status you feel he does not deserve but is it possible he meant it in the Barack Obama way?What he trying to hide his actions or signal some kind of solidarity? ? Is it that you feel erased by his comments? Finally you are also assuming this man is a colonist descendant. Is that the case of his family? What about Irish immigrants during the potato famine? Jewish immigrants in the 1890s? The incredibly crude identity politics I see now is not really reflective of most peoples lives, families, pathways.

Finally to OP. I would stop posting here. I completely understand that what you describe is possible. I work in a very “woke” environment with a lot of white people who use virtual signaling to try to maintain their positions of power in a rapidly changing field. I have seen some very prominent people cancelled (even though extensive investigations showed no racist remarks or behavior) and have seen how they were abandoned by coworkers and colleagues. Some because they were afraid to be lumped in the same category and some because it was a power move. One of these canceled people was ultimately the subject of a very long piece in a magazine which illuminated the sordid story (and showed the accuser was mentally unwell) but it didn’t matter. They had been professionally and personally made invisible and it really didn’t matter what the reality was once perception rumor took hold. No one wants to be I. The wrong side of race and will throw colleagues under the bus if their own position is threatened.

+1

Excellent. The only thing I would add is that some of those "colonists" were fleeing religious persecution themselves.

[Anonymous]

I know someone who could have written this post. It’s true that the comment was not intentionally racist but it was definitely offensive. But the real reason this person got cancelled was because they had made a LOT of enemies with their underhanded ways, and so nobody intervened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I completely see why you don’t want to provide details OP. But you aren’t going to get a bunch of people rushing to support you without details.

I am an employment discrimination lawyer. The certainty with which people believe they have been wronged bears absolutely no relation to whether they have actually been wronged. On both sides of of the equation— the victims and the accusers.

Not looking for support, just trying to get people to understand that a person being cancelled is not evidence of them deserving it. Sometimes deeply unfair things happen to people.

But it becomes a self-reinforcing belief: if they were cancelled, they must have deserved it, and if they deserved it, we shouldn’t listen to anything else they say.

I also get tired of people conflating the “cancellation” of rich and powerful people who committed public or well known wrongs (most of these people are never truly cancelled because they are rich and powerful, so unless they wind up in prison, they’ll be ok).

And private people who are cancelled on the basis of a rumor or unproven allegation. They aren’t the same. There was no formal investigation into my situation (I wish there had been, as it would have vindicated me) and most of the people who canceled me knew nothing more about it than they had been told third or fourth hand. Very different than a public investigation.

I was compelled to post because the thread about the teen reminded me of how easily rumors and an eager audience can destroy a person’s life.

The way “cancelled” is thrown around in these threads is baffling to me. Like the way every act of rudeness/meanness/unfriendliness is now called “bullying.”

I thought cancellation was a conservative grievance term for the removal of a public platform, like his show/commercial/book publication was cancelled. How is that even possible in the context of a private person? If OP was dropped from a friend or work group for something they said, are we calling that being “cancelled’ now?

Being made so unwelcome in your work place or neighborhood or wider community that you feel you have to leave just to live a normal life is, indeed, being "cancelled".

You're right the word gets thrown around casually in incorrect ways. But the irony is that the people who yell about being cancelled (people on the right whining about being disliked for their views) are rarely actually cancelled -- if they were, you wouldn't be able to hear them yelling about it. These are people who go on Fox News and remain in control of businesses and have profitable careers. But they'll complain they were cancelled because a college campus decided they didn't want them to come speak.

But it is actually MUCH more easy to cancel a private person who doesn't have access to power, money, or media. Because what is their recourse? They have none. And if they decent people, they will never use the option of going on Fox News or similar to plead their case, because it just aligns them with the people they don't agree with.

Accusing a progressive person who has neither means or soft power of racism is a good way of ruining that person's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is where the refusal to discuss meaning, context and intent is tragic. For some people and generations the concepts”we are all immigrants” is meant to signal resistance and refute to the concept that “real Americans “ are white Christians who are not recent immigrants. A response to “go back to where you came from,” a reminder that migration, whether forced or chosen, has defined this country. No less than Obama used this quote multiple times.

As a recent immigrant, you feel there should be a distinction between your experience and the experience of the white person you describe as a colonist; that is a good discussion to have and could be a teachable moment, on both sides, to explain intent and discuss the gap between the two of you. Why from your perspective your experiences are different, without resorting to calling him a bigot. You can explain that for you this coming cost erases the distinction of those who came to exploit and those who came to flee. But is what he said bigoted? Or does he lack an understanding of your perspective and what is a relatively recent critical stance in academic writing? Do you understand why he said what he did and the intent behind it? You assume he’s trying to claim a status you feel he does not deserve but is it possible he meant it in the Barack Obama way?What he trying to hide his actions or signal some kind of solidarity? ? Is it that you feel erased by his comments? Finally you are also assuming this man is a colonist descendant. Is that the case of his family? What about Irish immigrants during the potato famine? Jewish immigrants in the 1890s? The incredibly crude identity politics I see now is not really reflective of most peoples lives, families, pathways.

Finally to OP. I would stop posting here. I completely understand that what you describe is possible. I work in a very “woke” environment with a lot of white people who use virtual signaling to try to maintain their positions of power in a rapidly changing field. I have seen some very prominent people cancelled (even though extensive investigations showed no racist remarks or behavior) and have seen how they were abandoned by coworkers and colleagues. Some because they were afraid to be lumped in the same category and some because it was a power move. One of these canceled people was ultimately the subject of a very long piece in a magazine which illuminated the sordid story (and showed the accuser was mentally unwell) but it didn’t matter. They had been professionally and personally made invisible and it really didn’t matter what the reality was once perception rumor took hold. No one wants to be I. The wrong side of race and will throw colleagues under the bus if their own position is threatened.

+1

Excellent. The only thing I would add is that some of those "colonists" were fleeing religious persecution themselves.

Some of them? Did you really just say that? Or do you think most of them were coming here to take advantage of the yet-to-be-dreamt American dream?

You all are ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

You know those nice Vikings when they immigrated to the British Isles; they called them invaders! Very bigotted of those Anglos, I say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you tell us what you said, you are a racist. Bcs not posting what you said means you know it was wrong.

No, it’s protecting my identity. What I said was NOT wrong.

Of course it was. Thank you for being the poster child for racists that never believe they are racist. It’s too bad you haven’t taken the time to reflect on your bigotry.

Jesus, are you a right-wing troll trying to make the left look foolish? Because you are succeeding. You sound like an idiot, PP. Stop your knees from jerking uncontrollably before you post again.

+1. Ironically, these posters are proving OP’s point.

I’m sorry that happened to you, OP, and I 100% believe it could.

These posters jumping on the cancellation bandwagon without even knowing what was said are what’s wrong with this country.
There’s a big change coming, and I honestly can’t wait. This ridiculousness can’t last much longer.

[Anonymous]

Anglos immigrated to Americans and India and Africa, and Asia, and they were not invaders, not sir!
They were nice immigrants. Not invaders, nor colonists, not at all. They were migrant labor that helped the natives harvest their tomatoes and take over their textile industry as the natives did not want those jobs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who could have written this post. It’s true that the comment was not intentionally racist but it was definitely offensive. But the real reason this person got cancelled was because they had made a LOT of enemies with their underhanded ways, and so nobody intervened.

I know someone who could have written this post, too, and the offense taken at their definitely-not-racist comment was, frankly, performative. And they didn't have enemies -- they just didn't have much power in their situation. So when people started spreading rumors, a small number of people believed them and other people just wanted to stay out of it. It was absolutely a railroading by a handful of powerful people who didn't like this person. And it was those people who were underhanded in the way they handled it. Their target was honest and reasonable. But powerless.

It's not always as black and white as people want to believe, and people will convince themselves that their behavior is justified because it's hard to look at your own behavior and admit you were wrong.

[Anonymous]

Lord Baltimore was certainly very persecuted!

[Anonymous]

There was a guy I knew. He hanged himself. He was wrongly accused of being a pedo by a person with a disability.
We only know his side of the story. I think he is guilty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless you tell us what you said, you are a racist. Bcs not posting what you said means you know it was wrong.

No, it’s protecting my identity. What I said was NOT wrong.

Of course it was. Thank you for being the poster child for racists that never believe they are racist. It’s too bad you haven’t taken the time to reflect on your bigotry.

Jesus, are you a right-wing troll trying to make the left look foolish? Because you are succeeding. You sound like an idiot, PP. Stop your knees from jerking uncontrollably before you post again.

+1. Ironically, these posters are proving OP’s point.

I’m sorry that happened to you, OP, and I 100% believe it could.

These posters jumping on the cancellation bandwagon without even knowing what was said are what’s wrong with this country.
There’s a big change coming, and I honestly can’t wait. This ridiculousness can’t last much longer.

I repeat: I am under no obligation to like you.

[Anonymous]

Was it a cultural misunderstanding like this situation?

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-mun-cavani/uruguayans-perplexed-by-english-fa-investigation-into-cavani-idUKKBN28B695