SIL acted entitled and embarrassed me and I blasted her and now has consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

You think cussing someone out is warranted?
I would have had a short conversation about the larger issue regarding travel friend'a email and given her the benefit of the doubt. At no time is that screaming and cussing behavior warranted. Nor was it useful.

This is like a segment of RHONJ. Not life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor friend. I hope that she is able to mend her reputation with this hotel because it sounds like your family has pretty well ruined it. You owe her a big, big apology.

+1. Hotels talk. I wouldn't be surprised if the friend's reputation is now trashed. I hope she doesn't lose her job over this. I wouldn't be surprised if they refused to work with her in the future and OP's family is banned.

Not because of the SIL and the basket. Because of the family. The family.

[Anonymous]

And no one called the travel agent friend from the hotel. No one.

[Anonymous]

This isn't a post. It's a reality show.

[Anonymous]

This thread is so Jerry Springer. I've not laughed so hard in ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor friend. I hope that she is able to mend her reputation with this hotel because it sounds like your family has pretty well ruined it. You owe her a big, big apology.

+1. Hotels talk. I wouldn't be surprised if the friend's reputation is now trashed. I hope she doesn't lose her job over this. I wouldn't be surprised if they refused to work with her in the future and OP's family is banned.

Nah. They are all gossiping about how trashy OP’s family is, and how her SIL has clearly never stayed anywhere nicer than Motel 6.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jfc your sil is awful but you are also awful! Who calls someone and screams and yells and calls them names? Are you four years old? Also who uses the word ‘pop’.
You all deserve each other and I feel bad for the resort bc it sounds very cringe

Huh? Lots of people from various parts of the country.

[Anonymous]

Op, you are just as trashy as you SIL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

You think cussing someone out is warranted?
I would have had a short conversation about the larger issue regarding travel friend'a email and given her the benefit of the doubt. At no time is that screaming and cussing behavior warranted. Nor was it useful.

This is like a segment of RHONJ. Not life.

Absolutely, in some cases yes. If the person has routinely acted like an a$$ and not "getting it" after other discussions, especially. I don't care that you think the opposite. Not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

You think cussing someone out is warranted?
I would have had a short conversation about the larger issue regarding travel friend'a email and given her the benefit of the doubt. At no time is that screaming and cussing behavior warranted. Nor was it useful.

This is like a segment of RHONJ. Not life.

Here's the thing. I don't ever curse folks out (except some wild fights with my sister when we were teens). But, I am also lucky in that I haven't had many situations other than road rage where I felt that I truly needed to cuss someone out. I find that those who hold firmly to the belief that screaming and cussing is never warranted tend to lean on the same kind of logic used to justify arguments against protesting (civil rights protesters, BLM etc) because of decorum, civility, politeness and the like. On its face, it sounds very reasonable, but, it is an ethos that is mostly about maintaining order and suppressing dissent. So, people who firmly believe that no shouting and no cussing should ever happen, are often lucky people who haven't ever had a reason to really fly off the handle, or, they are the kinds of people who do the terrible things to get others riled up and then act like the screaming person is the terrible one, because god forbid someone scream and use the F word, how impolite! Like the obnoxious mom who cut in line in front of my family after we'd all been waiting for hours to see the baby pandas at a zoo and when I said to her firmly "excuse me, there is a line" and she pretended not to hear 3x in a row until I shouted it, nearly in her face. Then she started arm flailing and acting like I was this horrible gauche person for getting loud with her. Those are exactly the kinds of people who like to say screaming and cussing is never ok.

In this situation, the OP, if she is real, definitely went too far. But, the initial pop off, was warranted, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

You think cussing someone out is warranted?
I would have had a short conversation about the larger issue regarding travel friend'a email and given her the benefit of the doubt. At no time is that screaming and cussing behavior warranted. Nor was it useful.

This is like a segment of RHONJ. Not life.

Here's the thing. I don't ever curse folks out (except some wild fights with my sister when we were teens). But, I am also lucky in that I haven't had many situations other than road rage where I felt that I truly needed to cuss someone out. I find that those who hold firmly to the belief that screaming and cussing is never warranted tend to lean on the same kind of logic used to justify arguments against protesting (civil rights protesters, BLM etc) because of decorum, civility, politeness and the like. On its face, it sounds very reasonable, but, it is an ethos that is mostly about maintaining order and suppressing dissent. So, people who firmly believe that no shouting and no cussing should ever happen, are often lucky people who haven't ever had a reason to really fly off the handle, or, they are the kinds of people who do the terrible things to get others riled up and then act like the screaming person is the terrible one, because god forbid someone scream and use the F word, how impolite! Like the obnoxious mom who cut in line in front of my family after we'd all been waiting for hours to see the baby pandas at a zoo and when I said to her firmly "excuse me, there is a line" and she pretended not to hear 3x in a row until I shouted it, nearly in her face. Then she started arm flailing and acting like I was this horrible gauche person for getting loud with her. Those are exactly the kinds of people who like to say screaming and cussing is never ok.

In this situation, the OP, if she is real, definitely went too far. But, the initial pop off, was warranted, IMO.

"I find that those who hold firmly to the belief that screaming and cussing is never warranted tend to lean on the same kind of logic used to justify arguments against protesting (civil rights protesters, BLM etc) because of decorum, civility, politeness and the like."

What a ridiculous thing to say. Exhibiting self-control is not a sign of weakness, fear, timidness or resignation. Your conjecture of the motives of those kinds of people is very weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My best friend works in the travel industry and has access to beautiful resorts all over the world with her employee discount. She is able to pass along her discounted rate to friends and family. I hit her up 1-2x a year. She got us 3 rooms at a resort when we took a vacation recently. She arranged to have a gift basket sent up to each room. For me and my parents room she sent up an alcohol basket. For my brother and SIL and their kids she had an assortment basket sent up. It has pop, lemonades, candies, chocolates, crackers etc. This kind of stuff is usually reserved for VIPs but she got us the baskets with her connections. We certainly are not VIP so it was a really nice of her to arrange that.

The issue started in the middle of my trip. My friend called me and said she received an email from the front desk manger at the resort that her guest was making demands she was not entitled to and to get in contact with her guest before things were escalated. SIL went to the front desk and wanted another basket sent up to her room because they ran out. She was told it was a one time thing and was throwing my friends name around. I about died and apologized profusely. My friend told me my SIL could never stay on her discount again. I could tell she was really upset with me.

I called SIL on her phone and screamed down the phone. I told her she was a fu**ing idiot, simpleton, entitled bi*** and a few other adjectives. I then called my brother and told him what his wife had done. I told him if he did not make his wife go down to the front desk and apologize I was going to have security throw them all out. He was mortified. His marriage is already on thin ice and they are in therapy as a last resort. He was ready to file for divorce in January he was so fed up with her but she begged for counseling.

He promised me she would go down and apologize and he would make it his hill to die on. I heard they went out to the end of the parking lot and had it out. He told her if she did not apologize to the front desk agent she was rude and demanding with she would be leaving and him and the kids would be staying. Her choice. She did end up apologizing. I was so pissed and ended up berating her again. My parents asked her what was she thinking to demand another gift basket be delivered. She started the water works and told us to stop “attacking” her. She kept a low profile for the rest of the trip and did not cause any further issues.

So fast forward to today. She said my brother was using this incident as an excuse to end their marriage. I told her to stop acting so innocent. This excuse was the final straw. She asked for the sake of their kids for me to speak on her behalf to my brother and finish counseling and let him know there was no consequences for my friend at her job. She said she learned her lesson, apologized and was screamed at by me and my brother and was not sure what more she could do. I reminded her she has been a s**t person for years and now she is finally facing the consequences of her actions.

My husband told me that I was acting to happy about my brothers marriage ending and maybe I could speak to my brother. I don’t want to. Why would I try and talk my brother into staying with such a vile woman. Am I wrong?

I think the initial dress down, and yes even profanity, was absolutely warranted. She was taking advantage of your friend and putting you in a difficult position.

HOWEVER. That is where it should have ended from you. No need to do it a second time, as you did. No need to fuel the flames with your brother, as it looks like the embers were already glowing. Once she apologized to the hotel staff it should have ended and you should have butted out. Period.

As for her groveling to you now, you should have just said it is between her and her DH.

I do not care for piling on. I don't care for vengeful actions. I don't care for nastiness. After the initial argument with her, you engaged in all of these things. Those don't reflect well on you. They were not your place. Do better.

You think cussing someone out is warranted?
I would have had a short conversation about the larger issue regarding travel friend'a email and given her the benefit of the doubt. At no time is that screaming and cussing behavior warranted. Nor was it useful.

This is like a segment of RHONJ. Not life.

Here's the thing. I don't ever curse folks out (except some wild fights with my sister when we were teens). But, I am also lucky in that I haven't had many situations other than road rage where I felt that I truly needed to cuss someone out. I find that those who hold firmly to the belief that screaming and cussing is never warranted tend to lean on the same kind of logic used to justify arguments against protesting (civil rights protesters, BLM etc) because of decorum, civility, politeness and the like. On its face, it sounds very reasonable, but, it is an ethos that is mostly about maintaining order and suppressing dissent. So, people who firmly believe that no shouting and no cussing should ever happen, are often lucky people who haven't ever had a reason to really fly off the handle, or, they are the kinds of people who do the terrible things to get others riled up and then act like the screaming person is the terrible one, because god forbid someone scream and use the F word, how impolite! Like the obnoxious mom who cut in line in front of my family after we'd all been waiting for hours to see the baby pandas at a zoo and when I said to her firmly "excuse me, there is a line" and she pretended not to hear 3x in a row until I shouted it, nearly in her face. Then she started arm flailing and acting like I was this horrible gauche person for getting loud with her. Those are exactly the kinds of people who like to say screaming and cussing is never ok.

In this situation, the OP, if she is real, definitely went too far. But, the initial pop off, was warranted, IMO.

"I find that those who hold firmly to the belief that screaming and cussing is never warranted tend to lean on the same kind of logic used to justify arguments against protesting (civil rights protesters, BLM etc) because of decorum, civility, politeness and the like."

What a ridiculous thing to say. Exhibiting self-control is not a sign of weakness, fear, timidness or resignation. Your conjecture of the motives of those kinds of people is very weird.

No, I don't equate yelling and cussing out a family member over a vacation incident, a gift basket, anywhere close to BLM or activism. Come on.

You have to be kidding.

[Anonymous]

When did “trashrastic” become common vernacular??

[Anonymous]

You sound horrible. No need to scream and curse.