Ah Texas, you never disappoint - private citizen shoots suspect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so everyone is clear, the right winger(s) on this thread have made it apparent that they do not believe in the constitution what with its insistence on justice and instead they believe in vigilante justice.

And if it turns out that the thief wasn’t driving and someone else got shot? Oops, they’re bad, but it’ll still be okay because reasons.

Right wingers don't think the Constitution gives criminals immunity from reprisals, because it doesn't. The Constitution restrains the Federal Government, not John Q. Public. Theft and reprisal are the realm of the state/local governments. Some of those will decline to prosecute the theft, while others decline to prosecute the reprisal. That's how federalism works.

The Constitution restrains the Federal Government AND John Q. Public AND state/local governments from infringing on the rights of the people as individuals as enumerated in the articles in addition to, and amendment of, the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the legislatures of the several states, pursuant to the fifth article of the original Constitution.

It is a bold lie that the US Constitution restrains only the federal government. You need to reread it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Republicans were the party of due process (esp with red flag laws), innocent until proven guilty, yadda yadda. Or is it only when it suits them?

Any republican want to clarify?

Well, the perp was with the stolen car so…

[Anonymous]

Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Republicans were the party of due process (esp with red flag laws), innocent until proven guilty, yadda yadda. Or is it only when it suits them?

Any republican want to clarify?

Well, the perp was with the stolen car so…

You’re not too sharp, are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Republicans were the party of due process (esp with red flag laws), innocent until proven guilty, yadda yadda. Or is it only when it suits them?

Any republican want to clarify?

Well, the perp was with the stolen car so…

Since when does stealing a car merit an extrajudicial death sentence?
Wasn't even self-defense, either as the car thief was unarmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Republicans were the party of due process (esp with red flag laws), innocent until proven guilty, yadda yadda. Or is it only when it suits them?

Any republican want to clarify?

Well, the perp was with the stolen car so…

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought Republicans were the party of due process (esp with red flag laws), innocent until proven guilty, yadda yadda. Or is it only when it suits them?

Any republican want to clarify?

Well, the perp was with the stolen car so…

Since when does stealing a car merit an extrajudicial death sentence?
Wasn't even self-defense, either as the car thief was unarmed.

Gotta love pro-lifers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

"Citizens arrest" prank = some rando pretending to be a cop
"Good guy with a gun" = some rando pretending to be a cop

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

[Anonymous]

I think the response to this and the you tuber is what happens when people feel as if they are not being adequately served and protected by the laws and/or police. It is a symptom of cultural decline. When people feel as if they are continually unable to access justice and/or live free of assault and harassment, they take things into their own hands. Not saying it’s right but that is what people do. Same with the shoplifter at Tysons that was shot, people are tired of thieves running amok thus the lack of empathy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

Wow, what a little brat, pulling so-called pranks on people. I hope he thinks twice next time... little scumbag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

I wonder if you are an apolitical person making this post or from which side you come at it. From where I come at it - as an actual liberal Democrat, not just someone who poses as one on this board (not that you are claiming that) - I see lots of blame being heaped toward Democrats on this. And I agree to some extent; reform bail and jailing/sentencing when it keeps hurting the same people over and over again but prosecute “little” crimes like thefts for fun and profit, public urination and pooping, vandalism and tagging.

But I never see Republicans taking responsibility for their part in all this. They continue to pretend that Donald Trump did nothing wrong and that he’s being politically targeted. They harbor squads of unfit people in their elected ranks (fraud, lies, corruption, sexual assault, rape, domestic abuse) and refuse to acknowledge, no matter how many statistics they’re shown, that some people get “policed” more than others. And perhaps the biggest crime issue that doesn’t necessarily touch us all but every parent lives in fear of: mass shootings. I don’t see Republicans introducing any bills to get more people into the field of mental health care or to fund coverage or fund more beds for inpatient psychiatric care. They’re concerned about people speaking English and harassing elected Democrats and a whole raft of nonsense.

So, yes. I wish crime were taken more seriously across the board.