Ah Texas, you never disappoint - private citizen shoots suspect

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean women can start shooting their rapists and abusing husbands?

Haha, no, of course not. I don’t even need to click on this link to know it was a white male shooter and a brown “criminal” and that’s why nothing is going to be done.

Silly you! Governor Abbott stopped all rapes in the state of Texas.

Ah yes, this is correct. Like magic.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

It’s crazy that the police are so bad at their jobs across the board and that instead of looking for reforms to a broken profession, you’re defending vigilantism.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Vigilante justice.

And, we will be seeing more of it - particularly in areas that have progressive DAs who are soft on crime. When citizens don't trust that the law will be enforced, they take matters into their own hands.

So “taking the law into your own hands” means killing someone without giving them the benefit of due process?

Also, if the car had an air tag, it would have been easy for cops to track it without the need for the car owner to do it himself.

Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of vigilante justice.

The cops exist for a reason; mainly to prevent reprisals from occurring. Of course, when people think the cops can't or won't do their jobs then they will feel like its their only option.

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Anonymous wrote:Vigilante justice.

And, we will be seeing more of it - particularly in areas that have progressive DAs who are soft on crime. When citizens don't trust that the law will be enforced, they take matters into their own hands.

So “taking the law into your own hands” means killing someone without giving them the benefit of due process?

Also, if the car had an air tag, it would have been easy for cops to track it without the need for the car owner to do it himself.

I'm not saying it is right.... I am telling you what to expect when citizens sense that law is not being enforced.
We really need more information. According to one article, the man thought the suspect had a gun. We will have to see if more info is forthcoming.

It doesn't really matter in Texas. Deadly force is justified to prevent robbery

Not sure this was a robbery. If the thief was in the act of stealing the car from him at that moment, most people would say the shooting was justified. I don’t think this situation is the same.

Once the owner was there, if the guy does exit the car, it's a robbery. They've already announced that no charges are expected

Good. Reality is this guy wouldn't have been convicted. I wouldn't.

I thought cons worshipped at the altar of the Constitution. Where is vigilantism in the Constitution?

9/10th amendment?

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

The police are busy, there are speeding tickets that fund the department to be written

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

I have more sympathy for the car thief than his victim because his victim shot him to death after tracking him down. Until then, I felt more sympathetic toward the person whose car was stolen. I get the frustration of having something important stolen. That’s relatable. I even get knowing where the item is and wanting someone to take swift action to recover it, and feeling further victimized when that doesn’t happen. But the rest of his actions, hunting the guy down with a gun, shooting him over a car, that’s not relatable to me. All sympathy gets transferred to the new victim and his family. I hope the shooter’s conscience is troubled over the fact that he killed a man.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

I have more sympathy for the car thief than his victim because his victim shot him to death after tracking him down. Until then, I felt more sympathetic toward the person whose car was stolen. I get the frustration of having something important stolen. That’s relatable. I even get knowing where the item is and wanting someone to take swift action to recover it, and feeling further victimized when that doesn’t happen. But the rest of his actions, hunting the guy down with a gun, shooting him over a car, that’s not relatable to me. All sympathy gets transferred to the new victim and his family. I hope the shooter’s conscience is troubled over the fact that he killed a man.

What actually happened after the guy tracked down his car? The description of there being multiple shot-out windows (if I’m recalling the news piece correctly) made me think there was a shoot out between the car thief and the car owner.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

I have more sympathy for the car thief than his victim because his victim shot him to death after tracking him down. Until then, I felt more sympathetic toward the person whose car was stolen. I get the frustration of having something important stolen. That’s relatable. I even get knowing where the item is and wanting someone to take swift action to recover it, and feeling further victimized when that doesn’t happen. But the rest of his actions, hunting the guy down with a gun, shooting him over a car, that’s not relatable to me. All sympathy gets transferred to the new victim and his family. I hope the shooter’s conscience is troubled over the fact that he killed a man.

It's legal in Texas. If it were legal here, people would do it too. I have zero problem with the guy tracking his property down. If they other guy doesn't give it back, then the shooter is preventing a robbery. If the cops cared, they would have tracked it down themselves when the victim told them that it had an airtag

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia: Good Guys with Guns protecting us from random youtuber kids. https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-shot-in-the-mall-while-recording-video-speaks-out/65-0d5f10e9-4562-4ca8-a89f-c0cf7d237aa3

I wouldn't convict this guy anymore than the Texas guy. "Prank" has basically just become an excuse to harass and assault strangers for internet points. If the rumor mill is correct, this guy's prank was a "citizen's arrest" type deal. The victim took it as an assault/attempted kidnapping rather than a prank. Hope we get to see the seized video some day.

Forget everything else...do you even hear what you are okay with? Shooting people for stealing a car...after it has been stolen. Shooting someone for being an a$$hole. I don't care if it is a gun, a knife, your fists; you're okay with a world in which we get to just kill the people who piss us off. That is insane.

I would have preferred for both men who got shot to have had lesser corrective interventions earlier in life, but our institutions have largely abdicated those responsibilities. We make every excuse for them, and in many ways reward anti-social behavior, so I am not one bit surprised we're seeing a new generation of Bernie Goetz re-enactors.

If we let crazy people high on all sorts of synthetic drugs wander around stabbing people, don't be surprised when people shoot crazy acting and aggressive people that come at them. If the police basically treat auto theft as a private matter, then don't be surprised when people start addressing it in a private manner.

In other words stop complaining about the world you created, because the consequences were obvious.

People act like property crime is nothing. For A LOT of people, stealing a car is stealing someone’s livelihood and security. Stealing from an independently owned store is taking their ability to care for their kids and pay their rent. There’s no “just stealing” about it and none of these guys was Jean Valjean.

It si is still not a capital punishment offense. You have no idea the history of the car robber and the dumbass youtuber is a 21 year old kid who does stupid, dumb stuff. Also not punishable by death. Everything else I biolded above I am not even responding to...it is over the top hyperbolic delusions. I will say, I did not create a world in which it is okay to summarily kill people--you loons have.

+1. There are too many people who lack an empathy chip r view life like a video game. The car is air tagged. You aren’t going to lose it. Call the cops. Even if it takes a few hours, you can still track it. Or wait until it’s parked and drive off. Of give the driver the opportunity to surrender and don’t speak up from behind. It’s a human life and we are all entitled to due process.

Right because when you get your car back it is in pristine condition. People are frustrated that the police are either unwilling or unable to assist with things like this and things matter to people. I’m not saying it is right but I understand the frustration and it is totally because they don’t feel like they have other options. It’s crazy the people have more sympathy for the criminals now than the victims.

I have more sympathy for the car thief than his victim because his victim shot him to death after tracking him down. Until then, I felt more sympathetic toward the person whose car was stolen. I get the frustration of having something important stolen. That’s relatable. I even get knowing where the item is and wanting someone to take swift action to recover it, and feeling further victimized when that doesn’t happen. But the rest of his actions, hunting the guy down with a gun, shooting him over a car, that’s not relatable to me. All sympathy gets transferred to the new victim and his family. I hope the shooter’s conscience is troubled over the fact that he killed a man.

It's legal in Texas. If it were legal here, people would do it too. I have zero problem with the guy tracking his property down. If they other guy doesn't give it back, then the shooter is preventing a robbery. If the cops cared, they would have tracked it down themselves when the victim told them that it had an airtag

It looks like citizens arrests are legal. I can’t find a place where it says “go ahead and shoot someone if the police aren’t doing what you want.”

Maybe Texans should embrace police reform instead of doggedly fighting progress.