What do we need to do to stop mass shootings?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Fake news. There is no so-called crime wave, just like there isn’t any recession.

If things were really that bad, I would hear about it all the time on NPR.


I think you are being sarcastic, but there wasn’t a recession until the powers that be kept talking about one. Growth jobs were all solid.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Keep guns out of the hands of people with mental health issues. People who don’t know what gender they are have mental health issues.

Background checks on all purchases.

Tougher punishment on crime. We can’t keep catching and releasing.

Pack the prisons with the criminals and keep them there.

Normalize being normal. Quit acting like transgender, gay marriage, divorce, crime, etc, is behavior that should be applauded. Two parent homes with disciplined kids should be applauded


Who applauds crime? Seriously, name the people who applaud crime and what crimes are they applauding? Other than Donald Trump's crimes and the crimes of J6.
. . . .


Oh please! Everyone knows democrats are pro crime:

- defund police (dems) Where was the legislation on this? Oh yeah. Nowhere.

- remove SROs from MoCo and Alexandria schools (dems) Looks like they’re back and Alexandria is expanding the program.

- eliminate bail: (dems) For non violent offenses that sometime kept poor people in jail for months for crimes that they hadn’t been tried for.

- prosecutors who refuse to prosecute even violent offenders (dems) Sorry, kitten. Couldn’t find any non-RWNJ evidence of this one. Even I can quibble with people not prosecuting things like theft of “fun” items.

And most recent and specifically, here in DC, dems tried to pass this massively pro-criminal / anti-victim law:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1116430.page


Now do we want to talk about the rates of violent crime in red states? It’s way higher than it is in the blue states.

Can we talk about how Republicans felt that the traitors in their midst who commit crimes on 1/6 suddenly felt they weren’t being treated fairly by the courts, that they were being targeted.

Should we talk about how the GOP receives mega donations from the for profit prison system? And the fact that Black people continue to receive heavier sentences?

How the GOP waved off four years of Trump and associated Trump peoples’ crimes? Can we talk about how they’ve basically said white collar crime is just being smart and no one should be tried for it? How they still downplay Trump’s literal sedition and treason?

Moving back onto the thread topic can we talk about how the GOP has enabled those with active and dangerous mental illness to buy guns? How they refuse to restrict domestic abusers from purchasing guns even though prior acts of violence toward family members is one of the biggest risk factors for becoming a mass shooter?

Can we talk about the conflict of interest between the gun makers being massive funders of GOP candidates? And how little interest the party of personal responsibility has in allowing people to sue gun makers?

The GOP is soft on crime. Hard on Black and poor people but overall soft on crime.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Sure.

But also, someone shouldn't be legally allowed to suddenly buy SEVEN guns all of a sudden? SEVEN. That should trigger scrutiny and follow up.
Ammunition should be capped.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Sure.

But also, someone shouldn't be legally allowed to suddenly buy SEVEN guns all of a sudden? SEVEN. That should trigger scrutiny and follow up.
Ammunition should be capped.


The GOP will always find someone else to blame. There's no law but so and so should've said something. Please. They damn well know that if there was an actual law, it would've been difficult for the shooter to purchase seven guns.
Anonymous
How do we stop mass shootings? Take away the mass shooting guns. It’s as easy as that. There is no right in the Constitution to a gun that can decimate 20 kids per minute. Any originalist worth their salt could tell you- the framers were talking about muskets and swords because that’s the only thing that was available in the 1780s. Except cannons, and no one thought the average Joe had a right to amass a dozen cannons.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Once a child is an adult the parents really have no say. I mean they were letting her live there probably rent free. If they reported her you really think they would be safe? I think she had plans to kill them as well.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Once a child is an adult the parents really have no say. I mean they were letting her live there probably rent free. If they reported her you really think they would be safe? I think she had plans to kill them as well.


If they reported her half of the posters on here would have called them anti trans bigots.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Once a child is an adult the parents really have no say. I mean they were letting her live there probably rent free. If they reported her you really think they would be safe? I think she had plans to kill them as well.


If they felt unsafe if they reported her, then maybe she should have been hospitalized for her emotional illness. And, the parents absolutely had a say. She was living under their roof - doesn't matter whether she was paying rent. If they thought she was a danger to herself or others (and they must have, given they made her get rid of firearms and thought she had), they have a say.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Once a child is an adult the parents really have no say. I mean they were letting her live there probably rent free. If they reported her you really think they would be safe? I think she had plans to kill them as well.


If they felt unsafe if they reported her, then maybe she should have been hospitalized for her emotional illness. And, the parents absolutely had a say. She was living under their roof - doesn't matter whether she was paying rent. If they thought she was a danger to herself or others (and they must have, given they made her get rid of firearms and thought she had), they have a say.


There's no red flag law in TN, so......
Anonymous
Again, the most students murdered at a school were not killed by a gun. This is so the wrong approach!
Anonymous
Lax gun laws in less restrictive states are to blame everywhere.

1) two thirds to 87% of guns recovered from crimes in democratic states are straw purchases trafficked from states with less restrictive gun laws
2) Statistically speaking, per capita, mass shootings are less likely in states with more restrictive gun laws. In fact, mass shootings are trending up in states with less restrictive gun laws in recent years.

The GOP ignores and gaslights these basic statistics that show that gun control is shown by research to work

(Please don't give me anecdotes in response, you will only prove your own stupidity with "but such and such happened in this BLUE state!" Anecdotes are not research)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No Red Flag law in Tennessee. Covenant school shooter was under the care of a doctor for mental health issues. This doctor and parents could have flagged shooter prior to stockpiling 7 assault weapons and ammo.

This is just a snippet from The National Assessment Threat Center (NATC), a division of the U.S. Secret Service study (March 2021)— “Averting Targeted School Violence: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Plots Against Schools.” The NATC data strongly supports implementing mandatory national Red Flag laws or “threat assessments” in addition to mandatory national safe firearm storage laws. Both fall under the “Extreme Risk Protection Order” legislation proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The proposal was included in the Biden Administration’s gun violence prevention plan update from The White House Briefing Room statements on December 14, 2021. Again, in 2022. Biden has stated numerous times that our country will not be beholden to the NRA. Yet, here we are.

The problem is GOP and their low IQ/EQ representatives. Purely political posturing, and they’re not even good at it. No one in their right mind is doling out sanity cards to these people.


There is no red flag law in TN - BUT.... the parents or the doctor that was treating this woman could have reported to police that she should not own firearms and they could have taken action.
It does not take a red flag law to make that happen. Her parents said she should not own firearms. They knew it. But, took no action in notifying anyone.
The Chief of Police said yesterday that had they known her mental instability, they could have prevented her from acquiring firearms.


Once a child is an adult the parents really have no say. I mean they were letting her live there probably rent free. If they reported her you really think they would be safe? I think she had plans to kill them as well.


If they reported her half of the posters on here would have called them anti trans bigots.


Fact! This is a very inconvenient truth.
Anonymous
There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. But where do we go from here?

Personally I already vote for politicians who support gun reform. I donate to Moms Demand Action and Sandy Hook Promise. I’ve written letters and signed petitions. I’ve shared info. on social media, which just leads to defriending stupid gun nuts I went to HS with down south who make brilliant claims like “well you can kill someone with a frying pan, should we outlaw those?”

But what else is there? It feels like yelling into a void at this point because our country is run by heartless zombies who care more about their NRA blood money than the lives of Americans.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. But where do we go from here?

Personally I already vote for politicians who support gun reform. I donate to Moms Demand Action and Sandy Hook Promise. I’ve written letters and signed petitions. I’ve shared info. on social media, which just leads to defriending stupid gun nuts I went to HS with down south who make brilliant claims like “well you can kill someone with a frying pan, should we outlaw those?”

But what else is there? It feels like yelling into a void at this point because our country is run by heartless zombies who care more about their NRA blood money than the lives of Americans.


Honestly, the red states are to blame in two ways
1) Strawman purchases in their states are the contributing factor behind gun crime in democratic cities that they love to blame democrats for. However, those guns are getting purchased in red states and trafficked to blue cities.
2) Less restrictive gun laws in red states is contributing to an increase in mass shooting in red states. Mass shootings happen in blue states, but statistically less likely

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