DC driver with $12k in tickets flees US Park police, kills 3 people

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Anonymous wrote:OP loves speed cameras!

Not OP, but as a DC resident, hell yes I love speed cameras! They work.

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Anonymous wrote:Vision Zero where it was implemented has sucked

Hoboken has done an amazing job with Vision Zero. DC would be so lucky to have done half as much as Hoboken.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the OP of the thread about leniency for DUIs. This is also outrageous. This person was a known serial speeder who ran red lights. It was honestly just a matter of time until they killed someone. I truly don’t understand why we basically do nothing about vehicular crimes.

Because the mayor and DC government elites make political hay catering to drivers. They go out of their way to make driving as cheap and easy as possible and with as little personal responsibility as well. Driver are allowed to behave with impunity in DC, no matter how many people die because of it. That and pandering to conservatives, basically hand in glove here, is the mayor's platform.

This.

MPD is doing absolutely zero traffic enforcement now. This is not anecdotal - look at the massive drop-off in arrests for traffic offenses in the table that "DC Crime Stats" posted on Twitter. That drop-off is sure as hell not because people have become better drivers over the past 10 years!

And the Mayor and the Council - all of the Council, I believe - have made paying camera tickets completely voluntary. There are absolutely no practical consequences now for not paying fines. Whether you are a DC resident or not, your license can be freely renewed regardless of how much you owe. The debt can't be sent to collections and the city's booting and tow truck crew is so small that the chances of being booted or towed are infinitesimal. And that risk can be completely eliminated by not street parking.

CM Pinto and the Mayor are putting out statements like they just found out about this problem, but its not news to most people in this city. People have been posting videos to Reddit, Twitter etc. for years now about drivers with thousands in outstanding tickets driving extremely badly. I personally spoke with Pinto about this soon after she took office - more than two years ago! In the meantime, they have only made the problem even worse. No one in the DC Government seems to have any interest in doing what would be necessary to take drivers like this off the street because apparently driving is a right.

Is the bottom line issue basically public safety va. equity considerations? Essentially, tickets are oppression and removing licenses from speeders with thousands of dollars of speeding tickets could disproportionally impact socioeconomically disadvantaged communities?

Yes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/12/dc-drivers-tickets-licenses/

https://thenewspaper.com/news/65/6501.asp

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Anonymous wrote:OP loves speed cameras!

Not OP, but as a DC resident, hell yes I love speed cameras! They work.

And acoustic cameras. Yes please.

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This happened on National Park Service road in DC, why are you bringing up Montgomery County?

Because Montgomery County is about to do what DC did and raise the standard for traffic stops: Can't pull anyone over for headlines or taillights or expired tags.

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And acoustic cameras. Yes please.

Completely agree!

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Lord help us, but hopefully the Congress undoes these idiotic laws and orders.

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Additionally, we could institute income-proportionate ticketing.

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Anonymous wrote:Additionally, we could institute income-proportionate ticketing.

That would be great, but I don't expect it to happen in my lifetime. It hurts the poor more than the rich so the rich and GOP will fight it and win.

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Anonymous wrote:Lord help us, but hopefully the Congress undoes these idiotic laws and orders.

I agree. Idiotic traffic and transportation laws that allow drivers to kill and maim others with impunity.

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Honestly I don’t know a single person with multiple citations who isn’t a criminal or criminal in making. Unfortunately I know a few, and they are not productive members of society.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the impact of lax public safety and everyone trying to highjack it for a pet agenda.

https://dailyvoice.com/virginia/fairfax/news/hearts-break-after-triple-fatal-rideshare-crash-in-dc/859125/

3 decent, hardworking men, with their lives ahead of them, who were supporting families, are now dead. They came to the US to pursue opportunities and contributed in a positive way. They were POC.

The arguments against basic public safety are BS. The Council has disincentivized traffic stops and MoCo is considering banning most.

THIS is the human toll in service of ideology. And use of race and poverty IS BS. Poor, hardworking, good people of color are the primary VICTIMS of the criminals.

This happened on National Park Service road in DC, why are you bringing up Montgomery County?

Because, even as a liberal, i can see that “woke” progressive ideology has translated into policy like this (allowing speeders with $12k speeding tickets not to lose their license and keep driving dangerously). That ideology is becoming adopted on a nation wide scale in order to promote more equitable outcomes. Including in MoCo county. Therefore, it’s not unrelated to mention MoCo.

Again, this car deaths incident clearly shows the issue and that is of how the city council is weighing the potential human toll of car accidents from dangerous drivers keeping their licenses because they city won’t rescind them even with $12k in speeding tickets vs. the disproportionate socioeconomic burden someone from a disadvantaged community may experience if they lost their license.

Simply put, this is a basically cost benefit analysis being weighed by our council members of poor people driving dangerously keeping the ability to drive their cars vs. everyone else having to live with them if they drive dangerously and no matter how dangerously. But sure you can plug your wish for more buses etc. That’s super helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:Lord help us, but hopefully the Congress undoes these idiotic laws and orders.

I agree. Idiotic traffic and transportation laws that allow drivers to kill and maim others with impunity.

Yeah, like police can’t stop you for tags etc? You know what I mean, stop restating the facts and arguing with yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the impact of lax public safety and everyone trying to highjack it for a pet agenda.

https://dailyvoice.com/virginia/fairfax/news/hearts-break-after-triple-fatal-rideshare-crash-in-dc/859125/

3 decent, hardworking men, with their lives ahead of them, who were supporting families, are now dead. They came to the US to pursue opportunities and contributed in a positive way. They were POC.

The arguments against basic public safety are BS. The Council has disincentivized traffic stops and MoCo is considering banning most.

THIS is the human toll in service of ideology. And use of race and poverty IS BS. Poor, hardworking, good people of color are the primary VICTIMS of the criminals.

This happened on National Park Service road in DC, why are you bringing up Montgomery County?

Because, even as a liberal, i can see that “woke” progressive ideology has translated into policy like this (allowing speeders with $12k speeding tickets not to lose their license and keep driving dangerously). That ideology is becoming adopted on a nation wide scale in order to promote more equitable outcomes. Including in MoCo county. Therefore, it’s not unrelated to mention MoCo.

Again, this car deaths incident clearly shows the issue and that is of how the city council is weighing the potential human toll of car accidents from dangerous drivers keeping their licenses because they city won’t rescind them even with $12k in speeding tickets vs. the disproportionate socioeconomic burden someone from a disadvantaged community may experience if they lost their license.

Simply put, this is a basically cost benefit analysis being weighed by our council members of poor people driving dangerously keeping the ability to drive their cars vs. everyone else having to live with them if they drive dangerously and no matter how dangerously. But sure you can plug your wish for more buses etc. That’s super helpful.

No, you're not. Or maybe you were in, like, 1992. But now it's 2023. Just like if Abraham Lincoln or Dwight Eisenhower or even Ronald Reagan communicated from the Great Beyond to say they were Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I don’t know a single person with multiple citations who isn’t a criminal or criminal in making. Unfortunately I know a few, and they are not productive members of society.

Huh. I know a lot of people who speed, in fact almost all drivers routinely speed. My sister has received multiple citations from the same camera, near her home. I suppose she's a criminal, by definition, because she disobeyed the law by exceeding the speed limit, but that's not usually what people mean when they talk about criminals.

Note that I am a person who wants a whole lot more automated enforcement, and the whole thing about in Maryland the cameras don't even cite you unless you're going 12 miles over needs to change, too.