DC driver with $12k in tickets flees US Park police, kills 3 people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

Congress? Because other states are doing it better? No. DC residents can govern themselves just like the residents of every other state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

Congress? Because other states are doing it better? No. DC residents can govern themselves just like the residents of every other state.

Unfortunately, the US constitution disagrees with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if DC got tough on crime, law enforcement, and suspended the driver's licenses of people with outrageous bills for vehicle violations. 3 more people would be alive. More examples of how being lax on criminal behavior is destroying lives:


https://wtop.com/dc/2023/03/3-dead-2-injured-after-two-vehicle-crash-on-rock-creek-parkway/

But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.

A person with $12k in tickets will not refrain from driving because his license is suspended. Impounding the car would be a good idea though.

Exactly, this person's violations were so grotesque, the city should have tracked the car down and impounded it. Or booted it at a minimum. Actually, they probably should have been in jail too. They should have never been on the road in the first place. 3 people would still be alive if DC did its job.

But .. but ... but! You can't just take the car away. The poor driver probably reeeeeeally needed the car to drive around town.

[Anonymous]

The city has already said the will ignore expired temporary tags, which are deliberately used to get around cameras and parking tickets.

You no longer need a valid license plate in DC. This is how the law enforced now. What could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume this individual will be in jail soon charged with vehicular homicide or manslaughter.

The driver who killed two people on the sidewalk outside the Parthenon restaurant has not been charged, as far as I know.

How old was that driver??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

It's an equity issue. The statistics showed that people of certain groups were most often in this situation, so coming down hard on scofflaws would disproportionately affect that group.

[Anonymous]

A no pursuit policy is coming.

[Anonymous]

So - the fleeing driver was in the Lexus SUV and suffered life-threatening injuries, or another Lexus SUV fled and got away?? So confused...

From WTOP:
According to U.S. Park Police spokesman Thomas Twiname, a Lexus SUV was fleeing a traffic stop when it crashed into the Honda Accord the three men were in.

The Lexus was occupied by an adult woman who suffered life-threatening injuries, and an adult man with injuries that were believed to be life-threatening. Both were transported to a hospital.

According to the D.C. Department of Motor Vehicles, the Lexus that crashed while fleeing the traffic stop had 44 unpaid speed camera tickets, totaling $12,300. Of the unpaid tickets, 28 are listed for speeding and one is for running a red light.

This year alone, the driver racked up nine speeding tickets, with the most recent being from two weeks ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A no pursuit policy is coming.

It wasn't a pursuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

It's an equity issue. The statistics showed that people of certain groups were most often in this situation, so coming down hard on scofflaws would
disproportionately affect that group.

It would disproportionately affect scofflaws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

It's an equity issue. The statistics showed that people of certain groups were most often in this situation, so coming down hard on scofflaws would disproportionately affect that group.

But it was $12k in tickets! It'd be one thing if DC waived a few hundred dollars for an indigent family, but once a driver racks up tens of thousands in fines and kills three people there should be some consequences. Should we just look the other way on everything now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if DC got tough on crime, law enforcement, and suspended the driver's licenses of people with outrageous bills for vehicle violations. 3 more people would be alive. More examples of how being lax on criminal behavior is destroying lives:


https://wtop.com/dc/2023/03/3-dead-2-injured-after-two-vehicle-crash-on-rock-creek-parkway/

But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.

A person with $12k in tickets will not refrain from driving because his license is suspended. Impounding the car would be a good idea though.

Exactly, this person's violations were so grotesque, the city should have tracked the car down and impounded it. Or booted it at a minimum. Actually, they probably should have been in jail too. They should have never been on the road in the first place. 3 people would still be alive if DC did its job.

They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

PP here. I don’t disagree with you there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But let me guess, suspending licenses and impounding cars of reckless drivers who have insane numbers of violations will violate rights and is oppression. Tell that to the families of the dead.
They were speed camera tickets. The driver is not identified in speed camera tickets. No way to know who racked up those tickets.

The car racked up the tickets. Impound the car.

This is a good opportunity for Congress to drag some officials into a hearing with the cameras rolling:

-- How was this allowed to happen?

-- Does DC have a system to identify and investigate cases where a single vehicle or vehicles registered to a single address/entity rack up a large number of fines (whether paid or unpaid)? What is the number? 10 per year, 20 per year? What is the procedure for these cases?

-- How many other vehicles/owners have more than 10 or 20 fines and what is the District doing about them?

DC made it easier for stuff like this to happen by changing the law that required tickets to be paid off to register the car. DC simply does not care that things like this happen.

It's an equity issue. The statistics showed that people of certain groups were most often in this situation, so coming down hard on scofflaws would disproportionately affect that group.

But it was $12k in tickets! It'd be one thing if DC waived a few hundred dollars for an indigent family, but once a driver racks up tens of thousands in fines and kills three people there should be some consequences. Should we just look the other way on everything now?

They were speed camera tickets. The driver was never identified. Only the car.