DC driver with $12k in tickets flees US Park police, kills 3 people

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Anonymous wrote:“A fiery crash earlier this year that involved a driver with a history of DUI convictions and a valid D.C. driver’s license inspired legislation that aims to resolve failures in the city’s enforcement processes, targeting drivers with long records of dangerous on-road behavior.”

This is a nice gesture I suppose, but I’m not convinced someone who was drunk, high, and going 100 mph on rock creek parkway after, what, 5? DUIs and reckless driving charge, is really going to care that their license was suspended. She should have been in prison already.

Sounds like the road is poorly designed if it allows someone to reach speeds of 100mph.

That doesn’t make any sense at all. Speed limits set the speed not the road design. I could easily go 120 on any highway but that doesn’t mean that the road was designed the wrong way it means that I am breaking the speed limit and driving recklessly.

No, the road design sets the speed, in two ways. First, the road is designed for a certain design speed and/or a certain target speed. Second, the actual posted speed limit is often set based on the speeds the drivers are going on the road.

You are not familiar with rock creek apparently. It’s extremely twisty, surrounded by trees and canyons with massive 100 year old narrow stone bridges and tunnels. It’s tempting suicide to be going 100 on it and it sounds like this driver was in that state and only survived by dumb luck and alcohol poisoning. No road design can account for such reckless behavior.

Are there curves? Yes. Is it "extremely twisty"? No. It's a four-lane highway, with plenty to entice drivers into exceeding the 35 mph posted speed limit.

Highway? Really?

I thought the drivers set the speed limit? Do you often see people driving 100mph on RCP?

Why are you defending this person who killed three people by smashing into them head on at an excessive rate of speed?

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Anonymous wrote:“A fiery crash earlier this year that involved a driver with a history of DUI convictions and a valid D.C. driver’s license inspired legislation that aims to resolve failures in the city’s enforcement processes, targeting drivers with long records of dangerous on-road behavior.”

This is a nice gesture I suppose, but I’m not convinced someone who was drunk, high, and going 100 mph on rock creek parkway after, what, 5? DUIs and reckless driving charge, is really going to care that their license was suspended. She should have been in prison already.

Sounds like the road is poorly designed if it allows someone to reach speeds of 100mph.

That doesn’t make any sense at all. Speed limits set the speed not the road design. I could easily go 120 on any highway but that doesn’t mean that the road was designed the wrong way it means that I am breaking the speed limit and driving recklessly.

No, the road design sets the speed, in two ways. First, the road is designed for a certain design speed and/or a certain target speed. Second, the actual posted speed limit is often set based on the speeds the drivers are going on the road.

You are not familiar with rock creek apparently. It’s extremely twisty, surrounded by trees and canyons with massive 100 year old narrow stone bridges and tunnels. It’s tempting suicide to be going 100 on it and it sounds like this driver was in that state and only survived by dumb luck and alcohol poisoning. No road design can account for such reckless behavior.

Are there curves? Yes. Is it "extremely twisty"? No. It's a four-lane highway, with plenty to entice drivers into exceeding the 35 mph posted speed limit.

No amount of road design on Rock Creek was going to prevent that fatal crash, come on now. I'm all for designing roads for safety, but that doesn't mean we don't also better enforce preventing horrifically unsafe drivers with repeat DUIs and $10k in tickets from being on the road.

What if we had speed humps every 50 feet?

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Anonymous wrote:“A fiery crash earlier this year that involved a driver with a history of DUI convictions and a valid D.C. driver’s license inspired legislation that aims to resolve failures in the city’s enforcement processes, targeting drivers with long records of dangerous on-road behavior.”

This is a nice gesture I suppose, but I’m not convinced someone who was drunk, high, and going 100 mph on rock creek parkway after, what, 5? DUIs and reckless driving charge, is really going to care that their license was suspended. She should have been in prison already.

Sounds like the road is poorly designed if it allows someone to reach speeds of 100mph.

That doesn’t make any sense at all. Speed limits set the speed not the road design. I could easily go 120 on any highway but that doesn’t mean that the road was designed the wrong way it means that I am breaking the speed limit and driving recklessly.

No, the road design sets the speed, in two ways. First, the road is designed for a certain design speed and/or a certain target speed. Second, the actual posted speed limit is often set based on the speeds the drivers are going on the road.

You are not familiar with rock creek apparently. It’s extremely twisty, surrounded by trees and canyons with massive 100 year old narrow stone bridges and tunnels. It’s tempting suicide to be going 100 on it and it sounds like this driver was in that state and only survived by dumb luck and alcohol poisoning. No road design can account for such reckless behavior.

Are there curves? Yes. Is it "extremely twisty"? No. It's a four-lane highway, with plenty to entice drivers into exceeding the 35 mph posted speed limit.

Highway? Really?

I thought the drivers set the speed limit? Do you often see people driving 100mph on RCP?

Why are you defending this person who killed three people by smashing into them head on at an excessive rate of speed?

It's the 85% speed limit method - 85% of drivers driving at or below that speed. And, of course, 15% of drivers are driving faster than that speed. One does not often see people driving 100 mph on Rock Creek Parkway, but this was unfortunately not a unique occurrence.

The 85% speed limit method is inappropriate for setting speed limits in areas with people, like DC, but engineers use it anyway.