how many overpaid jobs in DMV can be automated out to AI like ChatGPT?

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, so many with hubris in this thread:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/chatgpt-passes-mba-exam-wharton-professor-rcna67036

A computer can be taught to write answers within the sandbox of known information like a classroom? I mean that’s not the impressive result you seem to think it is. It’s more like a computer playing chess than like a computer doing white collar work.

Wut?

AI would learn from all of the collective information on the internet. They’re also develop AI to learn from all new published research, so it will always have more up to date knowledge than any human and never forget anything. It would make mistakes and correct them over time, learning as it goes.

You just sound upset your overpaid white collar job that consists of BS and/or micromanaging people while producing nothing of value can now probably be automated.

You couldn’t be more wrong. As an experienced lawyer I would love to hang a shingle and just check over AI-produced work product, rather than manage associates/staff. I would absolutely love for AI to live up to its oversold promise. But here I am still waiting to be able to nap in my car, years and years after it was promised.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha. I was just encouraging my son to consider becoming an electrician or plumber, focusing on those trade certifications first then picking up a advanced college degrees when he’s 40.

This was after a conversation with a plumber who is hired who was telling me about his multiple properties.

I wonder if this is the same plumber I recently had by: the man could not shut up about his multiple real estate developments. It definitely made the bill sting more.

Nothing wrong with trades as a career (my dad is a repairman; I kinda wish I was an electrician) but these older people with multiple properties largely have them because of the economy and property prices at the time they were entering the property ladder. And, if they own the business, a little bit of creativity at tax time

If AI can instruct people how to be their own lawyer, it can certainly instruct people on how to run a wire or install a pipe.

The hard part of plumbing and electrical work is not so much the how, it's actually physically doing the work correctly and understanding what's currently there before starting.

The casual, naive arrogance of the bolded above is one thing that I hate about this area. Based on people I know, lawyers who assume that they can do plumbing or electrical work with no experience tend to be great at turning small jobs into very big and expensive jobs.

No reason a visual AI can’t do all of this. Plumbers will just be like those level 1 techs who have to have someone else on the phone instructing them the entire time they’re installing your office copier or whatever.

Plumbing needs physical strength, assembling materials and physical labor. Some people can’t do it. Anybody can be a lawyer with AI as long as they can type.

Whatever helps you sleep at night…

Np. Just for an experiment, go disconnect your toilet from the water supply, then reassemble it. Lol, good luck. I've met many people who can't twist a washer onto a bolt without partially stripping it, now do that upside down reaching around the underneath of the toilet. There will nevet be a robot AI that will come to your house to do that for you more cheaply than a person. And if you can't figure it out by watching youtube videos, the addition of an AI assistant won't help.

So true. If you can’t do it with YouTube you just can’t do it. AI is just going to show you, you know, what YouTube told it.

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Anonymous wrote:AI judges would be less biased…

+1!

And nothing would have to be done to tailor an argument or approach with an AI judge.

AI is as biased as the data that it is trained on. There was a study about resume-checking where the training data was the current employees, and it turned out that the AI was biased against women because it picked up on things like women's colleges, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha. I was just encouraging my son to consider becoming an electrician or plumber, focusing on those trade certifications first then picking up a advanced college degrees when he’s 40.

This was after a conversation with a plumber who is hired who was telling me about his multiple properties.

I wonder if this is the same plumber I recently had by: the man could not shut up about his multiple real estate developments. It definitely made the bill sting more.

Nothing wrong with trades as a career (my dad is a repairman; I kinda wish I was an electrician) but these older people with multiple properties largely have them because of the economy and property prices at the time they were entering the property ladder. And, if they own the business, a little bit of creativity at tax time

If AI can instruct people how to be their own lawyer, it can certainly instruct people on how to run a wire or install a pipe.

The hard part of plumbing and electrical work is not so much the how, it's actually physically doing the work correctly and understanding what's currently there before starting.

The casual, naive arrogance of the bolded above is one thing that I hate about this area. Based on people I know, lawyers who assume that they can do plumbing or electrical work with no experience tend to be great at turning small jobs into very big and expensive jobs.

No reason a visual AI can’t do all of this. Plumbers will just be like those level 1 techs who have to have someone else on the phone instructing them the entire time they’re installing your office copier or whatever.

Plumbing needs physical strength, assembling materials and physical labor. Some people can’t do it. Anybody can be a lawyer with AI as long as they can type.

Whatever helps you sleep at night…

Np. Just for an experiment, go disconnect your toilet from the water supply, then reassemble it. Lol, good luck. I've met many people who can't twist a washer onto a bolt without partially stripping it, now do that upside down reaching around the underneath of the toilet. There will nevet be a robot AI that will come to your house to do that for you more cheaply than a person. And if you can't figure it out by watching youtube videos, the addition of an AI assistant won't help.

So true. If you can’t do it with YouTube you just can’t do it. AI is just going to show you, you know, what YouTube told it.

The point isn’t that AI will let everyone be their own plumber. It’s that a company can undercut normal plumbers’ rates by sending low paid handymen out and having AI guide them on how to do the plumbing.

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Isn’t AI doing some types of surgery?

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Anonymous wrote:Ha. I was just encouraging my son to consider becoming an electrician or plumber, focusing on those trade certifications first then picking up a advanced college degrees when he’s 40.

This was after a conversation with a plumber who is hired who was telling me about his multiple properties.

I wonder if this is the same plumber I recently had by: the man could not shut up about his multiple real estate developments. It definitely made the bill sting more.

Nothing wrong with trades as a career (my dad is a repairman; I kinda wish I was an electrician) but these older people with multiple properties largely have them because of the economy and property prices at the time they were entering the property ladder. And, if they own the business, a little bit of creativity at tax time

If AI can instruct people how to be their own lawyer, it can certainly instruct people on how to run a wire or install a pipe.

The hard part of plumbing and electrical work is not so much the how, it's actually physically doing the work correctly and understanding what's currently there before starting.

The casual, naive arrogance of the bolded above is one thing that I hate about this area. Based on people I know, lawyers who assume that they can do plumbing or electrical work with no experience tend to be great at turning small jobs into very big and expensive jobs.

No reason a visual AI can’t do all of this. Plumbers will just be like those level 1 techs who have to have someone else on the phone instructing them the entire time they’re installing your office copier or whatever.

Plumbing needs physical strength, assembling materials and physical labor. Some people can’t do it. Anybody can be a lawyer with AI as long as they can type.

Whatever helps you sleep at night…

Np. Just for an experiment, go disconnect your toilet from the water supply, then reassemble it. Lol, good luck. I've met many people who can't twist a washer onto a bolt without partially stripping it, now do that upside down reaching around the underneath of the toilet. There will nevet be a robot AI that will come to your house to do that for you more cheaply than a person. And if you can't figure it out by watching youtube videos, the addition of an AI assistant won't help.

So true. If you can’t do it with YouTube you just can’t do it. AI is just going to show you, you know, what YouTube told it.

The point isn’t that AI will let everyone be their own plumber. It’s that a company can undercut normal plumbers’ rates by sending low paid handymen out and having AI guide them on how to do the plumbing.

I can hire an incompetent handyman with a YouTube connection now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t AI doing some types of surgery?

No. It’s aiding actual surgeons.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha. I was just encouraging my son to consider becoming an electrician or plumber, focusing on those trade certifications first then picking up a advanced college degrees when he’s 40.

This was after a conversation with a plumber who is hired who was telling me about his multiple properties.

I wonder if this is the same plumber I recently had by: the man could not shut up about his multiple real estate developments. It definitely made the bill sting more.

Nothing wrong with trades as a career (my dad is a repairman; I kinda wish I was an electrician) but these older people with multiple properties largely have them because of the economy and property prices at the time they were entering the property ladder. And, if they own the business, a little bit of creativity at tax time

If AI can instruct people how to be their own lawyer, it can certainly instruct people on how to run a wire or install a pipe.

The AI will use AR tech to guide based on what the handyman sees. Very different than what you’d get just hiring someone to look at a YouTube video. I’m sure you know that.

Regardless, your defensiveness has you sounding a lot like all the lawyers getting mocked in this thread. Bravo.
The hard part of plumbing and electrical work is not so much the how, it's actually physically doing the work correctly and understanding what's currently there before starting.

The casual, naive arrogance of the bolded above is one thing that I hate about this area. Based on people I know, lawyers who assume that they can do plumbing or electrical work with no experience tend to be great at turning small jobs into very big and expensive jobs.

No reason a visual AI can’t do all of this. Plumbers will just be like those level 1 techs who have to have someone else on the phone instructing them the entire time they’re installing your office copier or whatever.

Plumbing needs physical strength, assembling materials and physical labor. Some people can’t do it. Anybody can be a lawyer with AI as long as they can type.

Whatever helps you sleep at night…

Np. Just for an experiment, go disconnect your toilet from the water supply, then reassemble it. Lol, good luck. I've met many people who can't twist a washer onto a bolt without partially stripping it, now do that upside down reaching around the underneath of the toilet. There will nevet be a robot AI that will come to your house to do that for you more cheaply than a person. And if you can't figure it out by watching youtube videos, the addition of an AI assistant won't help.

So true. If you can’t do it with YouTube you just can’t do it. AI is just going to show you, you know, what YouTube told it.

The point isn’t that AI will let everyone be their own plumber. It’s that a company can undercut normal plumbers’ rates by sending low paid handymen out and having AI guide them on how to do the plumbing.

I can hire an incompetent handyman with a YouTube connection now!

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The first thing to go will be coding jobs. Which is basically monkey work anyway. My friend just had ChatGPT produce a python script to scrape data off of Glassdoor and apparently, according to him, it produced a functional program that actually allowed him to scrape the website (I don't know to what extent he needed to modify or add to what it produced, but in his words it was "scary")

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Anonymous wrote:The first thing to go will be coding jobs. Which is basically monkey work anyway. My friend just had ChatGPT produce a python script to scrape data off of Glassdoor and apparently, according to him, it produced a functional program that actually allowed him to scrape the website (I don't know to what extent he needed to modify or add to what it produced, but in his words it was "scary")

Why is that "scary"? Has your friend never heard of StackOverflow? There's no need for ChatGPT to do what you describe.

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Anonymous wrote:The first thing to go will be coding jobs. Which is basically monkey work anyway. My friend just had ChatGPT produce a python script to scrape data off of Glassdoor and apparently, according to him, it produced a functional program that actually allowed him to scrape the website (I don't know to what extent he needed to modify or add to what it produced, but in his words it was "scary")

Why is that "scary"? Has your friend never heard of StackOverflow? There's no need for ChatGPT to do what you describe.

Agreed.

There is a huge difference between what your friend did and comprehensive software development. This is your friend executed open source code.

[Anonymous]

This entire thread is full of idiots who think they know things they don’t know. That’s probably the target demographic of what work ChatGPT can replace.

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Anonymous wrote:So many white collar jobs could be easily replaced by ChatGPT:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/chatgpt-ai-economy-automation-jobs/672767/

Law is a field that could be gutted easily by AI. In fact, the first AI defended case is coming soon:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ai-powered-robot-lawyer-takes-its-first-court-case/

It's only a matter of time until tons of grossly overpaid legal work is automated out. Same for so many lobbyists, consultants, sales, heck tons and tons of programming work. Is the DMV going to survive 20 years from now? So many people in this area have zero skills in fields that are harder to automate like the trades. Tons of people get vastly overpaid for white collar work that could easily be automated out with emerging AI. It's only a matter of time.

It is not a real threat to the legal industry. If it was there will be a law passed to protect the lawyers.

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Anonymous wrote:So many white collar jobs could be easily replaced by ChatGPT:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/chatgpt-ai-economy-automation-jobs/672767/

Law is a field that could be gutted easily by AI. In fact, the first AI defended case is coming soon:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ai-powered-robot-lawyer-takes-its-first-court-case/

It's only a matter of time until tons of grossly overpaid legal work is automated out. Same for so many lobbyists, consultants, sales, heck tons and tons of programming work. Is the DMV going to survive 20 years from now? So many people in this area have zero skills in fields that are harder to automate like the trades. Tons of people get vastly overpaid for white collar work that could easily be automated out with emerging AI. It's only a matter of time.

It is not a real threat to the legal industry. If it was there will be a law passed to protect the lawyers.

[Anonymous]

What about marketing/writing/copywriting?