Dahmer

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn’t sleep last night after watching this

I generally REALLY like this sort of thing. But the first episode really got to me. I am not sure I can continue with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oprah interview with Dahmers dad was interesting. He had a seemingly a typical childhood many could have had. In fact, many have worse. What made him the one to be a serial killer?

You don’t think it had anything to do with his prenatal care? I have no idea, but when his mother said in the movie she was taking 26 pills a day, I said “holy shit”.

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What’s the difference? For one thing, movies about the Holocaust are frequently about the machine and the everyday people that let an atrocity on that scale happen. Same thing with a guy who tanked markets and ruined people - there’s a political message, it’s still ongoing This stuff? This type of stuff always feels a bit like a snuff film. In a sense, it’s pornographic. You’re watching a program about a guy who killed and ate his victims and tortured them for his own sexual pleasure.

That PP is clearly getting off on the subject matter. Who else would want to watch something the victims families have already said they wish hadn’t been made, about that subject matter? It’s disgusting.

Give me a break. How many people 'get off' on mobster movies and shows about real life people? I literally watched a movie with Michael Shannon who played notorious mafia hitman Richard the Iceman Kuklinski. His kids are still around and so are family members of his victims. No one was outraged when the movie Iceman came out. Or how about Johnny Depp's movie about Whitey Bulger (Black Mass). Were you outraged then when that movie came out because people flocked to theaters to watch a film about a mass murdering psychopath who still has victim families alive today?

The controversy around this show is asinine. It is selective outrage calling for censorship, which is even more outrageous. Art reflects life. Dahmer killings are historical events that have every right to be turned into a show/movie just like every other movie/show about serial killers, mobsters, war, and genocide that has come before it.

Yeah I’m failing to understand why Dahmer is off limits. There are so many dramatizations of horrific real life murders and serial killers. Just in the last year or so off the top of my head…Under the Banner of Heaven, Blackbird, The Staircase, Candy, Dr. Death. Why is Dahmer different?

There has been a pretty big push from a lot of the family members of victims not to make these movies. I know that the kids from the woman killed in All About Pam has been very open about how hurtful the show was. I don't think it is new that families are upset about these movies. I think it is likely new that people are becoming away of how these movies impact victims families.

I'm a poster who said they are having issues watching it. I disagree it should be off limits, for any number of reasons. And while the family members' views are not irrelevant, nor are they dispositive. (And yes, maybe I would feel differently if it were my family member. But maybe not. I can't know that and neither can you). If people do not want to watch it, then they shouldn't do so.

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What more do you need to know? He was a disgusting serial killer who preyed on victims for as long as he did because the police are racist. He finally met his well-deserved end in prison from a Black man who isn’t getting a fawning Netflix series made about him. You just find the trauma of families who are still alive and who lost family in a horrific way to be entertaining.

Once again, how are people entertained by Schindler's List? How are Call of Duty games billion dollar entertainment when you are glamorizing war and turning WWII into a game? Or all all of the movies about 9/11? There are many, many, many forms of entertainment based on terrible events in history. There is literally no difference in dramatization of this story versus every other video game or movie based on real life events. Hell, even Mike Tyson is now having his life dramatized on multiple platforms, and he committed sexual assault.

There is a huge difference. In the case of Schindler’s List, the main character is the hero, and the film doesn’t lovingly portray the Nazi murderers. Furthermore, the victims and hero are the main characters throughout, not the Nazis. Same with the movies about 9/11. Call of Duty is fictional, though it’s telling that you consider it to be equivalent to Dahmer as it shows how you think of his victims. It’s appalling that you can’t or won’t see the differences here.

You get off on re-traumatizing victims. Just be honest with yourself.

Call of Duty is not fictional. They’ve literally had games where you play the landing of Normandy. Your entertainment is literally playing war and killing people. There have been movies about Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. At what part of the Dahmer show is he being glorified? Meanwhile, a sexual assaulter like Mike Tyson is constantly glorified by the dramas about his life. Are his victims still around?

Just be honest with yourself - you have selective outrage. You probably buy COD games to entertain your kids while are outraged for some deranged reason about the Dahmer show even though it is a real historical event. The scariest part is that you’re basically advocating for censorship of media just because of your selective outrage.

It's this. Everyone does. Just scroll past it if you don't want to watch it.

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It’s still rubbernecking.

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What’s the difference? For one thing, movies about the Holocaust are frequently about the machine and the everyday people that let an atrocity on that scale happen. Same thing with a guy who tanked markets and ruined people - there’s a political message, it’s still ongoing This stuff? This type of stuff always feels a bit like a snuff film. In a sense, it’s pornographic. You’re watching a program about a guy who killed and ate his victims and tortured them for his own sexual pleasure.

That PP is clearly getting off on the subject matter. Who else would want to watch something the victims families have already said they wish hadn’t been made, about that subject matter? It’s disgusting.

Give me a break. How many people 'get off' on mobster movies and shows about real life people? I literally watched a movie with Michael Shannon who played notorious mafia hitman Richard the Iceman Kuklinski. His kids are still around and so are family members of his victims. No one was outraged when the movie Iceman came out. Or how about Johnny Depp's movie about Whitey Bulger (Black Mass). Were you outraged then when that movie came out because people flocked to theaters to watch a film about a mass murdering psychopath who still has victim families alive today?

The controversy around this show is asinine. It is selective outrage calling for censorship, which is even more outrageous. Art reflects life. Dahmer killings are historical events that have every right to be turned into a show/movie just like every other movie/show about serial killers, mobsters, war, and genocide that has come before it.

Yeah I’m failing to understand why Dahmer is off limits. There are so many dramatizations of horrific real life murders and serial killers. Just in the last year or so off the top of my head…Under the Banner of Heaven, Blackbird, The Staircase, Candy, Dr. Death. Why is Dahmer different?

There has been a pretty big push from a lot of the family members of victims not to make these movies. I know that the kids from the woman killed in All About Pam has been very open about how hurtful the show was. I don't think it is new that families are upset about these movies. I think it is likely new that people are becoming away of how these movies impact victims families.

I'm a poster who said they are having issues watching it. I disagree it should be off limits, for any number of reasons. And while the family members' views are not irrelevant, nor are they dispositive. (And yes, maybe I would feel differently if it were my family member. But maybe not. I can't know that and neither can you). If people do not want to watch it, then they shouldn't do so.

I just don’t understand the content police. They don’t like it therefore it shouldn’t exist. It’s bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s still rubbernecking.

Ok. And?

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn’t sleep last night after watching this

I generally REALLY like this sort of thing. But the first episode really got to me. I am not sure I can continue with it.

Yes I was talking about the first episode but then you become numb afterwards.

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What more do you need to know? He was a disgusting serial killer who preyed on victims for as long as he did because the police are racist. He finally met his well-deserved end in prison from a Black man who isn’t getting a fawning Netflix series made about him. You just find the trauma of families who are still alive and who lost family in a horrific way to be entertaining.

One more thing you should know is that one of the police officers who saw Dahmer chasing down a young victim who had escaped and then returned the boy to Dahmer who later killed and ate him, kept his job and became the head of the Milwaukee Police Union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak

He was actually fired, but an arbitration job overturned his termination and ordered back pay. The officer later became union president and eventually retired in 2017.

This is all portrayed later in the series.

I just finished it and thought it could have been 5-7 very tight episodes. 10 was excessive--the filmmakers were trying too hard to portray every known detail of the story.

The episode filmed partly from the point of view of the Deaf victim was outstanding. As a whole, the series did a lot more to bring the victims into better view than it did for Dahmer personally IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What more do you need to know? He was a disgusting serial killer who preyed on victims for as long as he did because the police are racist. He finally met his well-deserved end in prison from a Black man who isn’t getting a fawning Netflix series made about him. You just find the trauma of families who are still alive and who lost family in a horrific way to be entertaining.

One more thing you should know is that one of the police officers who saw Dahmer chasing down a young victim who had escaped and then returned the boy to Dahmer who later killed and ate him, kept his job and became the head of the Milwaukee Police Union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak

He was actually fired, but an arbitration job overturned his termination and ordered back pay. The officer later became union president and eventually retired in 2017.

This is all portrayed later in the series.

I just finished it and thought it could have been 5-7 very tight episodes. 10 was excessive--the filmmakers were trying too hard to portray every known detail of the story.

The episode filmed partly from the point of view of the Deaf victim was outstanding. As a whole, the series did a lot more to bring the victims into better view than it did for Dahmer personally IMO.

So far this is the only description of the series that makes it seem worth checking out.

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Anonymous wrote:I like true crime in general but find the Dahmer stuff just too depressing and gross. Just so depressing how much life could’ve been saved if the cops weren’t racist homophobes.

Fun fact though…my mother used to work in public health in Wisconsin and toured that prison where he was murdered and said there is no way the guards couldn’t have seen Dahmer getting murdered based on the layout. Although maybe they just weren’t where they were paid to be.

I always assume guys who are this depraved are killed or attacked with the knowledge of the guards. Who could stop someone from killing this sick POS?

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I was horrified by everything back when it hit the news. The only serial murder show I will ever watch, if they ever make one, would be on Israel Keyes. I would also want police info on him that was never made public. The dude was terrifying!

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Anonymous wrote:I was horrified by everything back when it hit the news. The only serial murder show I will ever watch, if they ever make one, would be on Israel Keyes. I would also want police info on him that was never made public. The dude was terrifying!

Did you read that book?

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Anonymous wrote:What difference is there between this and movies shows about the Holocaust? Or movies like Wolf of Wall Street about a guy who inflicted severe financial harm on many people.? Or being entertained by every war movie ever made showing deaths of soldiers? The fact that this makes your skin crawl means acting is good. Many of us were too young to remember all.of the details and haven't gone out of our way to read up on Dahmer.

What’s the difference? For one thing, movies about the Holocaust are frequently about the machine and the everyday people that let an atrocity on that scale happen. Same thing with a guy who tanked markets and ruined people - there’s a political message, it’s still ongoing This stuff? This type of stuff always feels a bit like a snuff film. In a sense, it’s pornographic. You’re watching a program about a guy who killed and ate his victims and tortured them for his own sexual pleasure.

That PP is clearly getting off on the subject matter. Who else would want to watch something the victims families have already said they wish hadn’t been made, about that subject matter? It’s disgusting.

Give me a break. How many people 'get off' on mobster movies and shows about real life people? I literally watched a movie with Michael Shannon who played notorious mafia hitman Richard the Iceman Kuklinski. His kids are still around and so are family members of his victims. No one was outraged when the movie Iceman came out. Or how about Johnny Depp's movie about Whitey Bulger (Black Mass). Were you outraged then when that movie came out because people flocked to theaters to watch a film about a mass murdering psychopath who still has victim families alive today?

The controversy around this show is asinine. It is selective outrage calling for censorship, which is even more outrageous. Art reflects life. Dahmer killings are historical events that have every right to be turned into a show/movie just like every other movie/show about serial killers, mobsters, war, and genocide that has come before it.

Yeah I’m failing to understand why Dahmer is off limits. There are so many dramatizations of horrific real life murders and serial killers. Just in the last year or so off the top of my head…Under the Banner of Heaven, Blackbird, The Staircase, Candy, Dr. Death. Why is Dahmer different?

There has been a pretty big push from a lot of the family members of victims not to make these movies. I know that the kids from the woman killed in All About Pam has been very open about how hurtful the show was. I don't think it is new that families are upset about these movies. I think it is likely new that people are becoming away of how these movies impact victims families.

I'm a poster who said they are having issues watching it. I disagree it should be off limits, for any number of reasons. And while the family members' views are not irrelevant, nor are they dispositive. (And yes, maybe I would feel differently if it were my family member. But maybe not. I can't know that and neither can you). If people do not want to watch it, then they shouldn't do so.

I just don’t understand the content police. They don’t like it therefore it shouldn’t exist. It’s bizarre.

I am not saying it should not e it’s.

I am saying what is it about people with options and time on their hands, that this is what we choose to focus on.

What our culture chooses to examine/highlight in detail.

I think that is sick and twisted.

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Anonymous wrote:I was horrified by everything back when it hit the news. The only serial murder show I will ever watch, if they ever make one, would be on Israel Keyes. I would also want police info on him that was never made public. The dude was terrifying!

Good lord I had never heard of this guy. YIKES.