Catholic schools gender policy

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Anonymous wrote:What do people expect if they send their kid to Catholic school? It's run by the Catholic Church and you have to be ok with all that means.

Yet this is the only archdiocese that does not honor students pronouns. He does not represent the church, he is not following their teachings. He is being political not religious.

Many dioceses have similar policies. Biological sex of man and woman is a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church. And Catholic schools follow Catholic teachings. I am not sure why you believe that is political or not representative of the church.

That is sex this is gender.

Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that biological sex and gender are one and the same.

No they don’t.

Yes, they do. You should comb through the Catechism, esp. part 355. I believe Fr Mike Schmitz (bible in a year podcast) is going to do a Catechism in a year podcast.

I’ve studied it ever which way but loose. The catechism does not address gender it only addresses sex.

I believe Fr. James Martin has many books on this, you can find them on Amazon.

omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that unknowledgeable about Catholic teachings.

I mean, when someone gets their understanding of Church teaching from Fr. James Martin...this is the result.

It’s as ridiculous as recommending Fr. Schmitz … two sides of the same coin.

But your too close minded to get that was /s at your ridiculous post.

NP. What's wrong with Fr. Schmitz? I listened to his Bible in a Year podcast and it was fantastic!

What’s wrong with Fr James Martin?

A good explanation from good Trent Horn about Fr Martin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as24Evo4Xak

Did you even listen to that?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading the left wing-nut posts on this thread I am so happy we have our kids in Catholic school.

-- another ex-MCPS teacher

Except we are Catholics at Catholic schools and our schools respect gender identity and pronouns.

What catholic school do your kids go to that do not respect kids pronouns?

Your school is unusual. Is it in the DC area?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading the left wing-nut posts on this thread I am so happy we have our kids in Catholic school.

-- another ex-MCPS teacher

Except we are Catholics at Catholic schools and our schools respect gender identity and pronouns.

What catholic school do your kids go to that do not respect kids pronouns?

Your school is unusual. Is it in the DC area?

No it is not unusual and yes it is DC, I have 52 nieces and nephews and have experience at many schools. The only schools i believe are behind the times are The heights, Gonzaga and prep.

All other schools have gay/trans non binary kids that are treated with respect.

St. John’s had boys wear dresses to reg ball.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

Not sure how this elicits a "LOL" - you asked what the Bible says about expression of gender and it is provided. That you don't like what it says is interesting, but not really relevant. And for the 0.1% for whom the intersex issue applies - of course God cares about these children, and they are made in His image like all of us are. However, there is no doubt that this is a birth defect, not unlike being born with, say, a heart issue or being born unable to see or hear. This unfortunately happens in this, our fallen world. We should all be thankful to God and the science He provides that these issues can be corrected.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

The disciples questioned Jesus about divorce (he said no, unless the marriage is unlawful), and they asked, well then isn't better just to not get married? [lol to that, Matthew 19:10]. Here is what Jesus said, according to the Gospel of Matthew, as translated and cited on line by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:

10 [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word,* but only those to whom that is granted.
12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/19?3=#48019003

Pretty obtuse translation, that. Other translations here: https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/matthew/19/10-12 It is interesting to read multiple translations as you can see agendas and choices in how to interpret ancient words in modern translation. Which also makes it odd to make yourself a slave to any particular translation.

He "made them male and female" for the purpose of marriage and becoming one flesh. But he also made some of them be born incapable of marriage. Given that there is much debate over what is meant by a person being born incapable of marriage, and given Jesus' clear acknowledgement and acceptance of eunuchs (including in some interpretations, eunuch's by birth, eunuch's by acts of others, and eunuchs by choice), who are we to say anything other than that Jesus acknowledged that not everyone was born male or female?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

The disciples questioned Jesus about divorce (he said no, unless the marriage is unlawful), and they asked, well then isn't better just to not get married? [lol to that, Matthew 19:10]. Here is what Jesus said, according to the Gospel of Matthew, as translated and cited on line by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:

10 [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word,* but only those to whom that is granted.
12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”

https://bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/19?3=#48019003

Pretty obtuse translation, that. Other translations here: https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/matthew/19/10-12 It is interesting to read multiple translations as you can see agendas and choices in how to interpret ancient words in modern translation. Which also makes it odd to make yourself a slave to any particular translation.

He "made them male and female" for the purpose of marriage and becoming one flesh. But he also made some of them be born incapable of marriage. Given that there is much debate over what is meant by a person being born incapable of marriage, and given Jesus' clear acknowledgement and acceptance of eunuchs (including in some interpretations, eunuch's by birth, eunuch's by acts of others, and eunuchs by choice), who are we to say anything other than that Jesus acknowledged that not everyone was born male or female?

Thanks, pp, for this helpful explanation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After reading the left wing-nut posts on this thread I am so happy we have our kids in Catholic school.

-- another ex-MCPS teacher

Except we are Catholics at Catholic schools and our schools respect gender identity and pronouns.

What catholic school do your kids go to that do not respect kids pronouns?

Your school is unusual. Is it in the DC area?

DP: Not unusual at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

Not sure how this elicits a "LOL" - you asked what the Bible says about expression of gender and it is provided. That you don't like what it says is interesting, but not really relevant. And for the 0.1% for whom the intersex issue applies - of course God cares about these children, and they are made in His image like all of us are. However, there is no doubt that this is a birth defect, not unlike being born with, say, a heart issue or being born unable to see or hear. This unfortunately happens in this, our fallen world. We should all be thankful to God and the science He provides that these issues can be corrected.

Intersex rates are .018% of the population, not .1%. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

Not sure how this elicits a "LOL" - you asked what the Bible says about expression of gender and it is provided. That you don't like what it says is interesting, but not really relevant. And for the 0.1% for whom the intersex issue applies - of course God cares about these children, and they are made in His image like all of us are. However, there is no doubt that this is a birth defect, not unlike being born with, say, a heart issue or being born unable to see or hear. This unfortunately happens in this, our fallen world. We should all be thankful to God and the science He provides that these issues can be corrected.

So you think women should not wear pants?

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Anonymous wrote:Many dioceses are establishing policies that require their educational institutions to uphold the Catholic teachings of biological sex. For example, in Green Bay schools are no longer allowed to use preferred pronouns, students must use the bathroom of their biological sex/play on sports teams of their biological sex/wear clothing that align with their biological sex. Do you agree with this?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251781/green-bay-diocese-issues-gender-identity-policy-consistent-with-biological-sex

Catholic schools are not known for being tolerant of these sorts of differences -or any differences, really-, of progressive views, or dissenting opinions. They teach what they teach.

It is for these reasons (and others) I would never in a million years send my kid to a Catholic school (like I attended, K-12).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember when catholic schools forced left handed kids to write with their right… because of the devil. Same thing.

Or priests could not marry interracial couples, same thing.

Or divorced people could not receive communion, same thing.

Or women could not do certain things on the alter during mass, same thing.

or women could not be part of the Dicastery, same thing.

The Catholic Church as it is currently run by the corrupt men in the US is often pathetic and behind the times.

No you can’t discriminate… it’s against the law and against Jesus.

No, it's not the "same thing." Not even close. For one thing, most of the items you have listed here affect adults, not still developing and impressionable children.

I’m showing you the church is often wrong and eventually gets with reality.

Yes it is similar, forcing left handed people to use their right because they did not believe in science.

The church has been wrong about many things through the years, yes of course. But there is nothing in the Bible that specifically states all people should be right-handed. There is, however, very clear instruction that God created us, male and female, each according to His purpose. That is a very different thing.

That is sex not gender nor is it gender identity.

Also what about those born Xxy or XYY or intersex.

What does the Bible say about that?

Actually, in Deuteronomy (old testament), the Bible does speak about expression of gender identity. Look up Deuteronomy 22:5 And those that are born intersex - you mean the half of one percent that are born with ambiguous genitalia that is almost always surgically corrected to match DNA before the age of 2? Or those even rarer cases of Klinefelter or Jacobs syndrome, which generally do not present with ambiguous genitalia, thus establishing that the person is male or female?

Lol Deuteronomy? “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel” are we forbidding women to wear pants now? Okay is Green Bay also going to outlaw shrimp?

You think god only cares about 99.9% of his children? You trying to erase their existence? Oh you know people just ignore what god created? Are they not created in gods likeness too?

Xxy and xyy … are all male due to the Y? Really? They all have male genitalia ? Science.

Not sure how this elicits a "LOL" - you asked what the Bible says about expression of gender and it is provided. That you don't like what it says is interesting, but not really relevant. And for the 0.1% for whom the intersex issue applies - of course God cares about these children, and they are made in His image like all of us are. However, there is no doubt that this is a birth defect, not unlike being born with, say, a heart issue or being born unable to see or hear. This unfortunately happens in this, our fallen world. We should all be thankful to God and the science He provides that these issues can be corrected.

I don't give a fuxx what the Bible says. And is why we are not and would never send DC to a Catholic school. Calling "intersex" issues a BIRTH DEFECT? What a shining beacon of God's love you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many dioceses are establishing policies that require their educational institutions to uphold the Catholic teachings of biological sex. For example, in Green Bay schools are no longer allowed to use preferred pronouns, students must use the bathroom of their biological sex/play on sports teams of their biological sex/wear clothing that align with their biological sex. Do you agree with this?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251781/green-bay-diocese-issues-gender-identity-policy-consistent-with-biological-sex

Catholic schools are not known for being tolerant of these sorts of differences -or any differences, really-, of progressive views, or dissenting opinions. They teach what they teach.

It is for these reasons (and others) I would never in a million years send my kid to a Catholic school (like I attended, K-12).

Catholic schools are not all the same and my experience has been very different from yours. Polar opposite actually. Tolerance is expected and practices and dissenting opinions are to be welcomed and considered, even if ultimately you end up not agreeing. Where did you go to school?

[Anonymous]

We are in a K-8 Catholic. DD is a rising 5th grader. Never heard of any kid changing their gender identity or pronouns in her grade.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:After reading the left wing-nut posts on this thread I am so happy we have our kids in Catholic school.

-- another ex-MCPS teacher

Except we are Catholics at Catholic schools and our schools respect gender identity and pronouns.

What catholic school do your kids go to that do not respect kids pronouns?

Your school is unusual. Is it in the DC area?

No it is not unusual and yes it is DC, I have 52 nieces and nephews and have experience at many schools. The only schools i believe are behind the times are The heights, Gonzaga and prep.

All other schools have gay/trans non binary kids that are treated with respect.

St. John’s had boys wear dresses to reg ball.

This is (happily for us) not at all our experience with the Catholic school system in northern Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many dioceses are establishing policies that require their educational institutions to uphold the Catholic teachings of biological sex. For example, in Green Bay schools are no longer allowed to use preferred pronouns, students must use the bathroom of their biological sex/play on sports teams of their biological sex/wear clothing that align with their biological sex. Do you agree with this?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251781/green-bay-diocese-issues-gender-identity-policy-consistent-with-biological-sex

Catholic schools are not known for being tolerant of these sorts of differences -or any differences, really-, of progressive views, or dissenting opinions. They teach what they teach.

It is for these reasons (and others) I would never in a million years send my kid to a Catholic school (like I attended, K-12).

My issue has always been that one must earn the respect of one's peers, particularly on matters of ethics and morality. In my view, the Bishops are a long way off of earning my respect.