Crime in LA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suspect named in murder of UCLA grad student. Shocker.... he has a lengthy rap sheet.

His mugshots over the years. He has more mugshots than most people have school pictures.

[Anonymous]

I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

On and on with the dumb right wing strawmen.

"Defunding the police" is not a real thing in any Democrat circle. The overwhelming majority of Democrat cities not only didn't defund police, they continued increasing police budgets.

As for closing the prisons, that is also not a thing in any Democrat circle. They DO believe in releasing non-violent offenders, like the guy caught with a bag of weed but DO NOT believe in releasing violent offenders.

[Anonymous]

Actually there is a belief that incarceration is destructive in and of itself and provides no benefit to society, and comes after the crime and therefore serves no purpose other than revenge. And this comes on top of the fact that among progressive circles incarceration is inherently unjust on racial equity grounds.

Plus, I know people who believe the only way that so-called white people will support social justice objectives is if they are forced to deal with the consequences of a theorized systemically racist society directly, even if it causes them significant pain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually there is a belief that incarceration is destructive in and of itself and provides no benefit to society, and comes after the crime and therefore serves no purpose other than revenge. And this comes on top of the fact that among progressive circles incarceration is inherently unjust on racial equity grounds.

Plus, I know people who believe the only way that so-called white people will support social justice objectives is if they are forced to deal with the consequences of a theorized systemically racist society directly, even if it causes them significant pain.

That's muddling and conflating different things together. For example:

a.) Removing the violent offender or repeat offender from society DOES provide immediate benefit to society, because then the violent offender can't keep inflicting violence and crime on others

The two other pieces are:

b.) how do you prevent crime and violence in the first place, such as negative socioeconomic influences, pressures and stressors, and

c.) when there is violence and crime, you do with the violent offender and the repeat criminal, to solve the issue, and if possible rehabilitate them and make them less violent and less criminal. There are obviously some strategies that haven't worked, but there are also some strategies that have been more effective.

And vacuous, handwavey comments like "close the prisons" and "it's all because of institutional racism" solve absolutely nothing, whether as the right wing's extremist strawmen of "this is what Democrats want", or on the opposite extreme, of the actual utopian SJW talking points (which most Democrats don't actually believe).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

DP What I find delusional and profoundly unintelligent is to continue policies that are leading to significant increases in violent crimes. What’s the end game of these Soros-funded DAs given the obvious deleterious effect of their policies? YOU explain that to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

DP What I find delusional and profoundly unintelligent is to continue policies that are leading to significant increases in violent crimes. What’s the end game of these Soros-funded DAs given the obvious deleterious effect of their policies? YOU explain that to me.

This is so much more nuanced and complicated than that and I think it’s so sad that you have been sucked into this vortex where you assume that anyone who has a different view is acting in bad faith.

The communities where the majority of these crimes take place are in crisis. What is the answer? Is it to incarcerate generations of men? Is it to let them go and see crime rise? Even the Koch brothers foundation supported efforts to de-institutionalize these men, NOT just Democrats. No one seems to have the answer. But to think that Democrats just want to destabilize the US is so, so sad and dumb.

I don’t think Republicans necessarily want to destabilize the US. I think that their leaders and donors want to make more money. Behind every Republican policy there is a goal to make money for somebody. Whether it is defense, guns, prisons, somebody makes money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

DP What I find delusional and profoundly unintelligent is to continue policies that are leading to significant increases in violent crimes. What’s the end game of these Soros-funded DAs given the obvious deleterious effect of their policies? YOU explain that to me.

This is so much more nuanced and complicated than that and I think it’s so sad that you have been sucked into this vortex where you assume that anyone who has a different view is acting in bad faith.

The communities where the majority of these crimes take place are in crisis. What is the answer? Is it to incarcerate generations of men? Is it to let them go and see crime rise? Even the Koch brothers foundation supported efforts to de-institutionalize these men, NOT just Democrats. No one seems to have the answer. But to think that Democrats just want to destabilize the US is so, so sad and dumb.

I don’t think Republicans necessarily want to destabilize the US. I think that their leaders and donors want to make more money. Behind every Republican policy there is a goal to make money for somebody. Whether it is defense, guns, prisons, somebody makes money.

I am with the previous poster on this one.......What is the end game for Soros and these activists prosecutors who are acting more like defense attorneys? What are THEIR motivations?
I would argue that the reason a lot of these communities are in a crisis is because of the soft-on-crime policies instituted by politicians and DAs in those communities. When someone commits a violent crime, the solution is not to go light on them in hopes of rehabilitation. Because time and time again that has only resulted in more people being victimized and more people ending up with an empty chair for dinner - forever. Yeah - prison is punishment. When you rape, violently assault, or murder another - you get punishment. And you damn well should be taken off the streets. Because it is not justice to the innocent people in that community to allow them to walk free,
I think Todd Kupfer, the father of the murdered UCLA student Brianna, said it well......."Crime is truly spiking, and we have a lot of criminals on the streets that shouldn’t be out. We have a lot of politicians that somehow forgot about people and think the key to getting elected is to support the lowest rung of our society and to give them rights and somehow that’s the answer to getting votes. I blame what's endemic in our society right now, is that everybody seems to be oriented on giving back rights and bestowing favor on people that rob others of their rights,"

And, yes, George Soros has heavily funded most of these DA's whose policies are destructive, Here is just a handful of the DA's that Soros has backed in recent years. Some are more controversial than others, but they all appear to have soft-on-crime policies.

George Gascon - LA
Kim Foxx - Chicago
Chesa Boudin - San Francisco
Larry Krasner - Philadelphia
Alvin Bragg - Manhattan
Ramin Fatehi, - Norfolk
Parisa Dehghani-Tafti - Arlington
Buta Biberaj - Loudoun
Steve Descano - Fairfax
Kim Ogg - Houston

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

DP What I find delusional and profoundly unintelligent is to continue policies that are leading to significant increases in violent crimes. What’s the end game of these Soros-funded DAs given the obvious deleterious effect of their policies? YOU explain that to me.

This is so much more nuanced and complicated than that and I think it’s so sad that you have been sucked into this vortex where you assume that anyone who has a different view is acting in bad faith.

The communities where the majority of these crimes take place are in crisis. What is the answer? Is it to incarcerate generations of men? Is it to let them go and see crime rise? Even the Koch brothers foundation supported efforts to de-institutionalize these men, NOT just Democrats. No one seems to have the answer. But to think that Democrats just want to destabilize the US is so, so sad and dumb.

I don’t think Republicans necessarily want to destabilize the US. I think that their leaders and donors want to make more money. Behind every Republican policy there is a goal to make money for somebody. Whether it is defense, guns, prisons, somebody makes money.

I am with the previous poster on this one.......What is the end game for Soros and these activists prosecutors who are acting more like defense attorneys? What are THEIR motivations?
I would argue that the reason a lot of these communities are in a crisis is because of the soft-on-crime policies instituted by politicians and DAs in those communities. When someone commits a violent crime, the solution is not to go light on them in hopes of rehabilitation. Because time and time again that has only resulted in more people being victimized and more people ending up with an empty chair for dinner - forever. Yeah - prison is punishment. When you rape, violently assault, or murder another - you get punishment. And you damn well should be taken off the streets. Because it is not justice to the innocent people in that community to allow them to walk free,
I think Todd Kupfer, the father of the murdered UCLA student Brianna, said it well......."Crime is truly spiking, and we have a lot of criminals on the streets that shouldn’t be out. We have a lot of politicians that somehow forgot about people and think the key to getting elected is to support the lowest rung of our society and to give them rights and somehow that’s the answer to getting votes. I blame what's endemic in our society right now, is that everybody seems to be oriented on giving back rights and bestowing favor on people that rob others of their rights,"

And, yes, George Soros has heavily funded most of these DA's whose policies are destructive, Here is just a handful of the DA's that Soros has backed in recent years. Some are more controversial than others, but they all appear to have soft-on-crime policies.

George Gascon - LA
Kim Foxx - Chicago
Chesa Boudin - San Francisco
Larry Krasner - Philadelphia
Alvin Bragg - Manhattan
Ramin Fatehi, - Norfolk
Parisa Dehghani-Tafti - Arlington
Buta Biberaj - Loudoun
Steve Descano - Fairfax
Kim Ogg - Houston

But can you ACTUALLY show us where all of those DA's core beliefs specifically involve not prosecuting or keeping repeat violent offenders incarcerated?

As has already been pointed out, most liberals and progressives are not fine with allowing violent people to run loose on the street committing acts of violence.

There may be a thread of OTHER progressive principles that are unintentionally leading to misguided policy but I think people are seriously missing the mark with the wild claim that Soros is intentionally trying to destabilize America through violent crime. That's kinda batshit crazy and I don't think any progressives would go along with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read this entire dumb thread, and may I ask a question to our Republican friend?

People have motives, correct? They do things because they think it will benefit them.

Why does George Soros want criminals on the loose? What exactly does he have to gain by high crime and lawlessness in the United States?

Here, I will give you an example: Republican donors who own private prisons want as many people incarcerated as possible because every jailed individual is $$$$ to them. Creating the perception that US cities are a lawless hellscape, especially that yucky highly regulated California where their profits take a hit, directly benefits them. It makes sense to consider to their motives.

This is a real question. Why would anyone have an “agenda” without a real and measurable gain for them? What is “George Soros” motive? What does he gain?

Gee. I don't know.

What do progressives gain from defunding the police or closing prisons? What is their motivation?

I can only assume they wish to destabilize the US by putting violent criminals on the street or not having the manpower to capture them in the first place.

Ok. So you actually believe Democrats want to “destabilize” the US. Democrats presumably live in the US too, but apparently want to ruin it. That does answer my question.

That is about as far as I think this discussion can go.

+1 Comments like "Democrats want to destabilize the US" make the commenter look either a.) imbecilic and out of touch, b.) intentionally and disingenuously trolling, or c.) genuinely delusional, or d.) some combination of these. There is no e.) wherein it actually has any semblance of truth or reality.

DP What I find delusional and profoundly unintelligent is to continue policies that are leading to significant increases in violent crimes. What’s the end game of these Soros-funded DAs given the obvious deleterious effect of their policies? YOU explain that to me.

This is so much more nuanced and complicated than that and I think it’s so sad that you have been sucked into this vortex where you assume that anyone who has a different view is acting in bad faith.

The communities where the majority of these crimes take place are in crisis. What is the answer? Is it to incarcerate generations of men? Is it to let them go and see crime rise? Even the Koch brothers foundation supported efforts to de-institutionalize these men, NOT just Democrats. No one seems to have the answer. But to think that Democrats just want to destabilize the US is so, so sad and dumb.

I don’t think Republicans necessarily want to destabilize the US. I think that their leaders and donors want to make more money. Behind every Republican policy there is a goal to make money for somebody. Whether it is defense, guns, prisons, somebody makes money.

I am with the previous poster on this one.......What is the end game for Soros and these activists prosecutors who are acting more like defense attorneys? What are THEIR motivations?
I would argue that the reason a lot of these communities are in a crisis is because of the soft-on-crime policies instituted by politicians and DAs in those communities. When someone commits a violent crime, the solution is not to go light on them in hopes of rehabilitation. Because time and time again that has only resulted in more people being victimized and more people ending up with an empty chair for dinner - forever. Yeah - prison is punishment. When you rape, violently assault, or murder another - you get punishment. And you damn well should be taken off the streets. Because it is not justice to the innocent people in that community to allow them to walk free,
I think Todd Kupfer, the father of the murdered UCLA student Brianna, said it well......."Crime is truly spiking, and we have a lot of criminals on the streets that shouldn’t be out. We have a lot of politicians that somehow forgot about people and think the key to getting elected is to support the lowest rung of our society and to give them rights and somehow that’s the answer to getting votes. I blame what's endemic in our society right now, is that everybody seems to be oriented on giving back rights and bestowing favor on people that rob others of their rights,"

And, yes, George Soros has heavily funded most of these DA's whose policies are destructive, Here is just a handful of the DA's that Soros has backed in recent years. Some are more controversial than others, but they all appear to have soft-on-crime policies.

George Gascon - LA
Kim Foxx - Chicago
Chesa Boudin - San Francisco
Larry Krasner - Philadelphia
Alvin Bragg - Manhattan
Ramin Fatehi, - Norfolk
Parisa Dehghani-Tafti - Arlington
Buta Biberaj - Loudoun
Steve Descano - Fairfax
Kim Ogg - Houston

But can you ACTUALLY show us where all of those DA's core beliefs specifically involve not prosecuting or keeping repeat violent offenders incarcerated?

As has already been pointed out, most liberals and progressives are not fine with allowing violent people to run loose on the street committing acts of violence.

There may be a thread of OTHER progressive principles that are unintentionally leading to misguided policy but I think people are seriously missing the mark with the wild claim that Soros is intentionally trying to destabilize America through violent crime. That's kinda batshit crazy and I don't think any progressives would go along with it.

You don't get it. They don't NEED an actual stated or written policy. We see their actions. We see them releasing people with low or no bail after committing violent crimes. We see the lenient sentencing and lax parole. It is happening in far too many cities. It doesn't matter what any policy says or doesn't say. It is their ACTIONS that matter.

The killer of Brianna Kupfer was out on $1000 bail despite having a rap sheet a mile long... he has more mug shots than I have school pictures. He was the classic repeat offender who had no business on the streets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect named in murder of UCLA grad student. Shocker.... he has a lengthy rap sheet.

His mugshots over the years. He has more mugshots than most people have school pictures.

He has been arrested, thank goodness.

Now, hopefully he will detained and denied bail.