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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Actually there is a belief that incarceration is destructive in and of itself and provides no benefit to society, and comes after the crime and therefore serves no purpose other than revenge. And this comes on top of the fact that among progressive circles incarceration is inherently unjust on racial equity grounds.

Plus, I know people who believe the only way that so-called white people will support social justice objectives is if they are forced to deal with the consequences of a theorized systemically racist society directly, even if it causes them significant pain. [/quote]

That's muddling and conflating different things together.  For example:

a.) Removing the violent offender or repeat offender from society DOES provide immediate benefit to society, because then the violent offender can't keep inflicting violence and crime on others

The two other pieces are:

b.) how do you prevent crime and violence in the first place, such as negative socioeconomic influences, pressures and stressors, and

c.) when there is violence and crime, you do with the violent offender and the repeat criminal, to solve the issue, and if possible rehabilitate them and make them less violent and less criminal.  There are obviously some strategies that haven't worked, but there are also some strategies that have been more effective.

And vacuous, handwavey comments like "close the prisons" and "it's all because of institutional racism" solve absolutely nothing, whether as the right wing's extremist strawmen of "this is what Democrats want", or on the opposite extreme, of the actual utopian SJW talking points (which most Democrats don't actually believe).[/quote]

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