Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

Something >>>>>> nothing

And when you get to the scale of millions of infections with a crazy contagious strain like omicron, anything that can help lower hospitalization #s helps our whole community.

No, that is not quite how we make public health decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

Something >>>>>> nothing

And when you get to the scale of millions of infections with a crazy contagious strain like omicron, anything that can help lower hospitalization #s helps our whole community.

No, that is not quite how we make public health decisions.

Sure, it is.

Wearing masks isn't perfect, but they help.
Wearing seatbelts isn't perfect, but they help.
Vaccines & boosters aren't perfect, but they help.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

[Anonymous]

It was obvious in April 2020 that every single person in our ICU was either frail elderly or fat. I predicted that this would be the death knell for "fat acceptance" and doctors would encourage patients to lose weight in time for Covid season (which we all knew was going to be a reality for years to come). How wrong I was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was obvious in April 2020 that every single person in our ICU was either frail elderly or fat. I predicted that this would be the death knell for "fat acceptance" and doctors would encourage patients to lose weight in time for Covid season (which we all knew was going to be a reality for years to come). How wrong I was.

More high risk? Yes. Everyone? No.

I mean, really which do you think Nick Cordero was? He was in his early 40s and a Broadway dancer, incredibly fit.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

That’s not the same at all. Taxes on soda? That’s just trying to disincentivize people. It’s not a mandate.

A mandate would be more equivalent to a:
Soda Ban - no soda sold at any store anywhere
Junk Food Ban

Yet, you’re not advocating for that? Just taxes to disincentivize people from buying those items.

You want to offer bonuses to people for getting vaccinated? Go for it. I have no issue with that. But mandates? No way.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

That’s not the same at all. Taxes on soda? That’s just trying to disincentivize people. It’s not a mandate.

A mandate would be more equivalent to a:
Soda Ban - no soda sold at any store anywhere
Junk Food Ban

Yet, you’re not advocating for that? Just taxes to disincentivize people from buying those items.

You want to offer bonuses to people for getting vaccinated? Go for it. I have no issue with that. But mandates? No way.

Awwww. Don’t be a spoil sport. I was just playing along with PP’s dumb strawman.

Guess we should back up. What does PP mean by an “anti-obesity mandate”?

Let’s hear it. 🍿

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

That’s not the same at all. Taxes on soda? That’s just trying to disincentivize people. It’s not a mandate.

A mandate would be more equivalent to a:
Soda Ban - no soda sold at any store anywhere
Junk Food Ban

Yet, you’re not advocating for that? Just taxes to disincentivize people from buying those items.

You want to offer bonuses to people for getting vaccinated? Go for it. I have no issue with that. But mandates? No way.

Why should the government pay the unvaccinated to get the vaccine. That would punish the people who got the vaccine. A better incentive would be to have a covid surcharge on your health insurance. Let insurance charge unvaccinated people market rates for covid related treatment. So you go to the ER because of covid you are responsible for the bills. I am all for that!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

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You voted for this.

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No. Most people in the DC area did not vote for this.