Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

No. Those other vaccines have been around for decades. Even the HPV vaccine isn’t mandated yet and it has been around since 2006.

Some of us can understand that there is a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because who doesn't want to go to the hospital for a non-covid issue and get infected there?

Healthcare professionals worked for months before a vaccine was even available. Patients did not catch Covid at the hospitals. Why? Because healthcare workers wore appropriate PPE. PPE if effective.

The current Covid vaccine mandates are government overreach, especially for this particular shot. I am happy to see more states challenging this nonsense.

Unfortunately, yes, we had people catch covid while in the hospital for non-covid related things. It is still happening.

And PPE, while effect, is never 100% because there's always a margin of user (wearer) error. Many doctors and nurses on the covid floors/wings caught covid.

One fact throughout all of this has remained the same: vaccinated individuals have better outcomes when they get covid than the unvaccinated.

As an MD, I don't care WHY you get vaccinated, only that you do. I don't even care if you get vaccinated in secret and continue loudly opposing the vaccine (I actually have several family members who have done this).

As an MD, how do you feel about the new hospital policies that allow Covid positive doctors and nurses to go back to work?

My neighbor is an MD and his hospital is allowing this because staff is vaccinated.

The vaccine won’t prevent them from spreading Covid, but I guess it helps with staffing issues! Yay for the vaccine mandate, I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was obvious in April 2020 that every single person in our ICU was either frail elderly or fat. I predicted that this would be the death knell for "fat acceptance" and doctors would encourage patients to lose weight in time for Covid season (which we all knew was going to be a reality for years to come). How wrong I was.

I like the idiots who do not realize that obesity is a disease. Sure initially bad choices may contribute to obesity which can happen to anyone but once you put on a certain amount of weight your body will fight you every step of the way to prevent you from losing weight. Of course doctors encourage healthly lifestyle but stop with saying obese folks are lazy when obesity is a constellation of physical problems involving hormones, metabolism, etc.

The reason we should have as many vaccine mandates as possible is that the vaccinated are less likely to cost all of lots of money since they are less likely to end up on the hospital or dying from covid. It costs all of us when someone ends up in the hospital and vaccines are more cost effective and life saving.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

No. Those other vaccines have been around for decades. Even the HPV vaccine isn’t mandated yet and it has been around since 2006.

Some of us can understand that there is a difference.

HPV is mandated in VA. So is meningococcal.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/immunization/requirements/

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because who doesn't want to go to the hospital for a non-covid issue and get infected there?

Healthcare professionals worked for months before a vaccine was even available. Patients did not catch Covid at the hospitals. Why? Because healthcare workers wore appropriate PPE. PPE if effective.

The current Covid vaccine mandates are government overreach, especially for this particular shot. I am happy to see more states challenging this nonsense.

Unfortunately, yes, we had people catch covid while in the hospital for non-covid related things. It is still happening.

And PPE, while effect, is never 100% because there's always a margin of user (wearer) error. Many doctors and nurses on the covid floors/wings caught covid.

One fact throughout all of this has remained the same: vaccinated individuals have better outcomes when they get covid than the unvaccinated.

As an MD, I don't care WHY you get vaccinated, only that you do. I don't even care if you get vaccinated in secret and continue loudly opposing the vaccine (I actually have several family members who have done this).

As an MD, how do you feel about the new hospital policies that allow Covid positive doctors and nurses to go back to work?

My neighbor is an MD and his hospital is allowing this because staff is vaccinated.

The vaccine won’t prevent them from spreading Covid, but I guess it helps with staffing issues! Yay for the vaccine mandate, I guess?

The vaccine makes it less likely that folks will spread it. The hospital where I work is doing this carefully with strict protocols such as strict mask mandates and have found that employees who get covid get it from the community and not the hospital. Additionally, you do want someone to be able to care for you do you not if you end up in the hospital? Most hospitals are being overrun and are short staffed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

No. Those other vaccines have been around for decades. Even the HPV vaccine isn’t mandated yet and it has been around since 2006.

Some of us can understand that there is a difference.

HPV is mandated in VA. So is meningococcal.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/immunization/requirements/

Did you actually read the link you posted? Parents can opt out of the HPV vaccine.

From your link:

“After reviewing educational materials approved by the Board of Health, the parent or guardian, at the parent's or guardian's sole discretion, may elect for the child not to receive the HPV vaccine“

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because who doesn't want to go to the hospital for a non-covid issue and get infected there?

Healthcare professionals worked for months before a vaccine was even available. Patients did not catch Covid at the hospitals. Why? Because healthcare workers wore appropriate PPE. PPE if effective.

The current Covid vaccine mandates are government overreach, especially for this particular shot. I am happy to see more states challenging this nonsense.

Unfortunately, yes, we had people catch covid while in the hospital for non-covid related things. It is still happening.

And PPE, while effect, is never 100% because there's always a margin of user (wearer) error. Many doctors and nurses on the covid floors/wings caught covid.

One fact throughout all of this has remained the same: vaccinated individuals have better outcomes when they get covid than the unvaccinated.

As an MD, I don't care WHY you get vaccinated, only that you do. I don't even care if you get vaccinated in secret and continue loudly opposing the vaccine (I actually have several family members who have done this).

As an MD, how do you feel about the new hospital policies that allow Covid positive doctors and nurses to go back to work?

My neighbor is an MD and his hospital is allowing this because staff is vaccinated.

The vaccine won’t prevent them from spreading Covid, but I guess it helps with staffing issues! Yay for the vaccine mandate, I guess?

The vaccine makes it less likely that folks will spread it. The hospital where I work is doing this carefully with strict protocols such as strict mask mandates and have found that employees who get covid get it from the community and not the hospital. Additionally, you do want someone to be able to care for you do you not if you end up in the hospital? Most hospitals are being overrun and are short staffed.

Do you think it is helpful to fire healthcare workers during a pandemic? When hospitals are already short-staffed? Simply because they choose not to be vaccinated.

Clearly you do, but that makes no sense to me to fire qualified, hospital staff - many of whom risked their own lives and showed up to workin before vaccines were even available - for no good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:It was obvious in April 2020 that every single person in our ICU was either frail elderly or fat. I predicted that this would be the death knell for "fat acceptance" and doctors would encourage patients to lose weight in time for Covid season (which we all knew was going to be a reality for years to come). How wrong I was.

I like the idiots who do not realize that obesity is a disease. Sure initially bad choices may contribute to obesity which can happen to anyone but once you put on a certain amount of weight your body will fight you every step of the way to prevent you from losing weight. Of course doctors encourage healthly lifestyle but stop with saying obese folks are lazy when obesity is a constellation of physical problems involving hormones, metabolism, etc.

The reason we should have as many vaccine mandates as possible is that the vaccinated are less likely to cost all of lots of money since they are less likely to end up on the hospital or dying from covid. It costs all of us when someone ends up in the hospital and vaccines are more cost effective and life saving.

Also costs us a sh&t ton of money when people have kids. Especially poor people! Should be make that illegal.

To be clear, I don’t think so, just as I don’t agree with Covid vaccine mandates.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

No. Those other vaccines have been around for decades. Even the HPV vaccine isn’t mandated yet and it has been around since 2006.

Some of us can understand that there is a difference.

HPV is mandated in VA. So is meningococcal.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/immunization/requirements/

We should do exactly what VA has done with the HPV vaccine.

Mandate it and allow parents to opt out. Works for me!

Mandate the Covid shot and let people opt out after they have read some informational material. Excellent solution.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m vaccinated but I fail to understand why people care if others aren’t. Vaccinated or not, you can transmit covid. Vaccinated or not, you can get omricon. From a fact based perspective, the people we should be mad at are the obese. They are the ones (vaccinated & not) who have bad covid outcomes.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and feel the same. I am SO fiercely against these vaccine mandates. They go against science and they go against facts/data. The only benefit I see is the financial benefit to companies (Pfizer, CVS, Walgreens) and their shareholders.

“Against science”?

You are fcked in the head.

Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options.

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

No, you means you will mandate vaccines and MANDATE healthy lifestyles.

If you want to crack down, you don’t get to pick and choose.

How do you “mandate lifestyle” exactly?

Because we already do mandate vaccines. So there is a precedent there…

Somehow, this gets lost in the shuffle every time discussion around a COVID vaccine mandate comes up. The vast, vast, vast majority of Americans were perfectly comfortable with mandated vaccines for polio, measles, Hepatitis B, etc, until Trump came along and broke Republicans' brains.

No. Those other vaccines have been around for decades. Even the HPV vaccine isn’t mandated yet and it has been around since 2006.

Some of us can understand that there is a difference.

HPV is mandated in VA. So is meningococcal.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/immunization/requirements/

DP. Funny how you ignored this part. HPV is not “mandated.”

Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccine - Effective July 1, 2021, a complete series of 2 doses of HPV vaccine is required for students entering the 7th grade. The first dose shall be administered before the child enters the 7th grade. After reviewing educational materials approved by the Board of Health, the parent or guardian, at the parent's or guardian's sole discretion, may elect for the child not to receive the HPV vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:It was obvious in April 2020 that every single person in our ICU was either frail elderly or fat. I predicted that this would be the death knell for "fat acceptance" and doctors would encourage patients to lose weight in time for Covid season (which we all knew was going to be a reality for years to come). How wrong I was.

I like the idiots who do not realize that obesity is a disease. Sure initially bad choices may contribute to obesity which can happen to anyone but once you put on a certain amount of weight your body will fight you every step of the way to prevent you from losing weight. Of course doctors encourage healthly lifestyle but stop with saying obese folks are lazy when obesity is a constellation of physical problems involving hormones, metabolism, etc.

The reason we should have as many vaccine mandates as possible is that the vaccinated are less likely to cost all of lots of money since they are less likely to end up on the hospital or dying from covid. It costs all of us when someone ends up in the hospital and vaccines are more cost effective and life saving.

Also costs us a sh&t ton of money when people have kids. Especially poor people! Should be make that illegal.

To be clear, I don’t think so, just as I don’t agree with Covid vaccine mandates.

+1

If we’re happy to take away personal freedoms to save money then we DEFINITELY need to start by stopping poor people having kids. They cost us all SO much money in housing and medical and food and everything else they need.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because who doesn't want to go to the hospital for a non-covid issue and get infected there?

Healthcare professionals worked for months before a vaccine was even available. Patients did not catch Covid at the hospitals. Why? Because healthcare workers wore appropriate PPE. PPE if effective.

The current Covid vaccine mandates are government overreach, especially for this particular shot. I am happy to see more states challenging this nonsense.

Unfortunately, yes, we had people catch covid while in the hospital for non-covid related things. It is still happening.

And PPE, while effect, is never 100% because there's always a margin of user (wearer) error. Many doctors and nurses on the covid floors/wings caught covid.

One fact throughout all of this has remained the same: vaccinated individuals have better outcomes when they get covid than the unvaccinated.

As an MD, I don't care WHY you get vaccinated, only that you do. I don't even care if you get vaccinated in secret and continue loudly opposing the vaccine (I actually have several family members who have done this).

As an MD, how do you feel about the new hospital policies that allow Covid positive doctors and nurses to go back to work?

My neighbor is an MD and his hospital is allowing this because staff is vaccinated.

The vaccine won’t prevent them from spreading Covid, but I guess it helps with staffing issues! Yay for the vaccine mandate, I guess?

The vaccine makes it less likely that folks will spread it. The hospital where I work is doing this carefully with strict protocols such as strict mask mandates and have found that employees who get covid get it from the community and not the hospital. Additionally, you do want someone to be able to care for you do you not if you end up in the hospital? Most hospitals are being overrun and are short staffed.

Do you think it is helpful to fire healthcare workers during a pandemic? When hospitals are already short-staffed? Simply because they choose not to be vaccinated.

Clearly you do, but that makes no sense to me to fire qualified, hospital staff - many of whom risked their own lives and showed up to workin before vaccines were even available - for no good reason.

“For no good reason”?

Public health is a good reason. Decreasing absences and medical costs are good reasons.

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The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

So, they are now telling us that young women may be negatively affected by the vaccine. They are also telling us that the vaccine does not prevent you from spreading COVID in many cases.
FWIW, I am vaccinated and boosted--but I am beginning to wonder why. Sure, I understand that it makes it less serious. But, we were told that it would prevent the spread. That seems to be questionable now.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.