Youngkin & Miyares state they will challenge federal vaccine mandate for hospital workers

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

So, they are now telling us that young women may be negatively affected by the vaccine. They are also telling us that the vaccine does not prevent you from spreading COVID in many cases.
FWIW, I am vaccinated and boosted--but I am beginning to wonder why. Sure, I understand that it makes it less serious. But, we were told that it would prevent the spread. That seems to be questionable now.

We knew this from the beginning. The media and the Biden administration spun a different story.

I think they should have stuck with the facts - vaccines protect you from hospitalization and death. Tell the truth. Avoid mandates. People would come around.

Instead, they put our misleading facts (100,000 kids on ventilators, Sonia Sotomayor??) and made people distrustful.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

So, they are now telling us that young women may be negatively affected by the vaccine. They are also telling us that the vaccine does not prevent you from spreading COVID in many cases.
FWIW, I am vaccinated and boosted--but I am beginning to wonder why. Sure, I understand that it makes it less serious. But, we were told that it would prevent the spread. That seems to be questionable now.

Vaccines/boosters reduce severe cases. And therefore reduce absences, hospitalizations, and medical costs.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

Misinformation? Like this. Our Supreme Court justices are clearly making decisions based on misinformation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fact-check-sotomayor-makes-false-claim-about-covid-19s-impact-on-children/ar-AASFaOH

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

And it’s clear that vaccine mandates don’t make anything less disruptive. Check out NYC, as an example.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.

+1 million

Also vaccinated and I feel the same.

There is not a ‘one size fits all answer’, no matter how much Pfizer wants to convince you of that.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

And it’s clear that vaccine mandates don’t make anything less disruptive. Check out NYC, as an example.

They absolutely DO make it less disruptive.

Absences, hospitalizations, and deaths would be even higher if fewer people there were vaccinated/boosted.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.

We would but at much lower rates. That’s the entire point.

Vaccines/boosters don’t mean zero covid. They reduce the impacts - fewer infections, less severe infections, shorter durations, fewer hospitalizations, fewer deaths, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.

We would but at much lower rates. That’s the entire point.

Vaccines/boosters don’t mean zero covid. They reduce the impacts - fewer infections, less severe infections, shorter durations, fewer hospitalizations, fewer deaths, etc.

Absolutely not enough of a reason to mandate this particular shot. Not at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the GOP continues to push crap like this just solidifies that I think they are amoral POSs who will never get my vote.

Sure. You think it’s amoral to give people a choice. We get it.

I think it’s amoral to push a vaccine just so that businesses can stay open, workers can go back to work faster (even when positive) and to make Pfizer billions of dollars when it might not even make much of a difference with regards to public health.

Yes. With a pandemic as disruptive as this to our collective health and economy, absolutely yes.

There are too many idiots making bad choices and pushing misinformation. It shouldn’t be a choice.

How many people have had COVID already and do not wish to get the vaccine? Natural immunity varies by person, but it is generally for most more effective and longer lasting than the vaccine. The current data on the boosters say they work well for about 10 weeks, then they at which point they have diminished to about 30% effective and continue to diminish from there. That is why they are talking about boosters every 3 to 4 months now. I work for a doctor's office, and the number of people with adverse reactions to the vaccine and not getting the second shot is probably higher than you think. My own doctor's son got myocarditis from the vaccine. People are not considered "fully vaccinated" with just the one vaccination, though are advised by their doctor not to get the second shot. How many people can get therapeutics that greatly reduce their chances of getting seriously ill or hospitalization if they do get COVID? There is more than one path, but your myopic view, one size fits all view and refusal to realize that if every single American was vaccinated, we would still have COVID infections, hospitalizations, and deaths and that the vaccine is not panacea you think it is or even particularly effective for anything but getting a more severe case of COVID is NOT "following the science" BS that has been pushed since day 1. People are sick of your one and only vaccine mantra. I am vaccinated BTW.

We would but at much lower rates. That’s the entire point.

Vaccines/boosters don’t mean zero covid. They reduce the impacts - fewer infections, less severe infections, shorter durations, fewer hospitalizations, fewer deaths, etc.

Absolutely not enough of a reason to mandate this particular shot. Not at all.

Sure it is. We are still mid-pandemic and it behooves us to minimize the impacts from COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:If they want to do this than there should be a requirement that hospitals disclose exactly how many of their workers by occupation are vaccinated. If I have to schedule an elective procedure I should be able to make an informed choice.

Yeah, if you truly cared about the state of the healthcare system, you would probably opt out of any elective procedures during Covid.

But, we get it. You just want to dictate other people’s choices.

My elective surgery was the removal of a large mass on my uterus and left ovary. Before the operation the doctors believed it to be 60% non-cancerous, but could not be certain without the surgery. I elected the surgery. Either way, the surgery would eventually be necessary as the mass was growing. Under your stupid theory I guess I should have waited to find out without the surgery and rolled the dice. When would have been the right time PP to schedule that surgery to remove that growing mass on your uterus and ovary? There really are some ignorant trolls on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.

Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.

Sad that you don't understand basic science.

DP but the science is relatively well understood at this point regarding the current vaccines.

They are relatively low performing at limiting infection and symptomatic disease. They are to date moderately effective at preventing severe disease.

United has 3,000 people out this single week alone in a company with a vaccine mandate.

How many died? How much did their health insurance increase as a result of an additional 3,000 people in the hospital in critical condition, possibly on a vent?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no vaccine which prevent Omicron.

Vaccines have always been a game of odds, they are not 100% foolproof cures.

Sad that you don't understand basic science.

DP but the science is relatively well understood at this point regarding the current vaccines.

They are relatively low performing at limiting infection and symptomatic disease. They are to date moderately effective at preventing severe disease.

United has 3,000 people out this single week alone in a company with a vaccine mandate.

How many are on a respirator?

Timely article.
https://www.axios.com/united-airlines-ceo-covid-vaccine-mandate-c33cebde-faee-45ef-b1da-0ebdb337b09e.html

United Airlines: Employee deaths dropped to zero after vaccine mandate

"Kirby said that prior to the vaccine mandate, "tragically, more than one United employee on average *per week* was dying from COVID,” but "we’ve now gone eight straight weeks with zero COVID-related deaths among our vaccinated employees."

He said in the letter that there are approximately 3,000 employees who have tested positive for the virus but added that no vaccinated employee is hospitalized."


This is a no brainer way for businesses to bring down healthcare costs. And help with staffing issues (shorter absences). And, you know, keep your employees alive.

Ouch I did not read down far enough. I see others asked and answered my question. Thx!

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Actually, you are the ‘fcked in the head’, as you so eloquently put it if you believe that there is enough solid science to back up any kind of booster mandate whatsoever.

An Omicron-specific booster will not even be available until March of 2022. And there is no data to show that getting a third (or fourth) shot affects outcomes.

Knock yourself out getting as many shots as you want, but until the data is available, it’s all a shot in the dark.

This is 100% correct. Why don't you (prior PP) go read up on the real science before posting your "you are fcked in head" useless comment. You are uneducated on the facts, ill-informed and not following the actual scientific studies on this issue. And no, I am not going to do your homework for you. Find the info yourself and study up.

You are definitely fcked in the head. Is this a new thing? Or were you already fcked in the head before the pandemic?

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-immunity-without-booster-study-finds/

Why don't you try reading the abundance of studies on hundreds of thousands of people from multiple countries regarding how effective the booster is against omicron instead cherry picking one study of 70 people which is missing a lot of data, such as how long ago those people were boosted and any follow up testing. Most studies are showing you maybe get 10 weeks of protection with the booster, then it is about 30% effective at most against omicron. Given the number of people double vaxed with a booster and still getting omicron, just empirical data alone should be obvious this is the case. Doesn't mean it does nothing, such as prevention from more serious illness, but the current vaxes and boosters are not a significant preventatives for omicron.

This.

The vaccines are useful, mandates are not.

Of course they are useful.

They lower the chance of serious infections - which are very costly to businesses - longer absences and higher medical costs.

Oh, so now we need public Covid vaccine mandates so that businesses can make sure their workers are not absent. What kind of argument is that?

Not in the public’s best interest, but we need mandates because it is in the business owners’ best interest. Good luck pushing that argument, but at least you are being honest about our intentions with these vaccine mandates.

There are benefits for both businesses (like hospitals) and the community.

It's in all of our best interests to have as many people healthy as possible.

Well then, I certainly hope you vocally support an anti-obesity mandate.

Losing weight likely has even more of a protective factor and keeps as many people healthy as possible. Yet, I’m not hearing any mandates for that.

I fully support businesses/government mandates to provide whatever we need to eliminate obesity. Restrict junk food, soda taxes, etc. Subsidize gym memberships. Mandate businesses offer breaks for exercise & offer healthy food options. [i][u]

Great. So we will mandate vaccines & offer healthy lifestyles.

Remember when the Republicans laughed and made fun of Democrats for wanting to curb obesity with the sugary tax.
https://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-california-soda-tax-obesity-economics-20190226-story.html
https://money.com/soda-tax-gop-partisan-battle/