UPenn Law Professor Amy Wax: US "better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration"

[Anonymous]

She should spend a little time reviewing the history of her home city Troy, NY in the 1890s - immigration, race, politics -- it is all there, and she can see how derivative and predictable she sounds. I would assume her own immigrant parents felt some level of pressure to join the democratic political machines in upstate NY (troy's seems to have been not as strong as the machine in Albany, but her mother worked in Albany and her father in the garment industry), and she or they resented that, but that doesn't get you off the hook for being a racist 50-60 years later. [My own parents grew up in nearby cities and were 15 years older. They felt really strongly about registering as independents (after moving to the suburbs) having grown up in these cities (thankfully they do not share Wax's opinions about race or immigration).]

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, if we complain, we are "cancelling" her and we don't believe in free speech on college campuses. Urggghhhh!

Imagine being an Asian American in her class.

Imagine how she grades minorities, then believes they’re less capable.

I had her for first year civ pro. She’s as horrible a person as you all think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seeing as most Jews vote Democrat too, Jewish immigration should be banned too, and perhaps Amy Wax's ancestors should not have been allowed to immigrate either.

She addressed this in the interview saying words to the effect that "I'm Jewish and Jews are as bad as Asians in supporting left-wing policies. I think she wants to stop*all* immigration.

I didn't hear anything racist in the interview in the sense of making derogatory comments about ethnic or racial groups. (unless you think voting Democratic is derogatory).

But she also seemed a little nutty - like she had a touch of Marjorie Taylor Greene in her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing as most Jews vote Democrat too, Jewish immigration should be banned too, and perhaps Amy Wax's ancestors should not have been allowed to immigrate either.

She addressed this in the interview saying words to the effect that "I'm Jewish and Jews are as bad as Asians in supporting left-wing policies. I think she wants to stop*all* immigration.

I didn't hear anything racist in the interview in the sense of making derogatory comments about ethnic or racial groups. (unless you think voting Democratic is derogatory).

But she also seemed a little nutty - like she had a touch of Marjorie Taylor Greene in her.

ok, so basically she is saying that the US should only be one party, and we shouldn't let in anyone who disagrees with Rs.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Gee, you are blind to your own words.

You don't embrace or agree with every R or their policies, but you think ALL Dems agree with ALL Dem policies? I stated upthread, CA passed Prop 209. Do you know what that is? A liberal state passed a law that prevented universities there from using race as a factor. So, you see, not all liberals agree with affirmative action.

Tell your friend who ponders what his life would be like if he doesn't get in by lottery that he'll figure it out as milions of other people do. The former first lady came here on an HlB as "extraordinary talent" -- snort. Gimme a break. Like the US doesn't have enough models so we had to import them? There are thousands of other would be models around the world who would love an HlB visa to the US. Why shouldn't they have gotten one instead of Melania, who isn't even all that great looking and only modeled in catalogs and men's magazine in soft porn photos.

My family came here via family connections, as did thousands upon thousands of others, white, black, brown, etc.. I suppose to you that should never have happened, right?

Most Asian Americans realize that the R party today aren't supportive of Asian immigrants, nor are they really all that supportive of Asian Americans in general. They only seem to support merit based immigration as a way to exclude certain demographics. As Trump stated, why can't we import more Norwegians rather than people from sh1thole countrles? You think he wants more Chinese or Indians? Sure, he wants rich people because he's an elitist. He doesn't want an HlB Chinese or Indian tech worker, that's for sure.

You are being used as a patsy. Do you know what that means? You are convient for them when they want your support, but once they get what they want, they will turn on you.

We saw Trump do the same thing to people who supported him but didn't agree with everything he said or did. He would turn on them in a heartbeat. That's how Rs operate now.

Do you think the vast majority of Asian Americans are blind and dumb to vote Dem, and only the select few like you are smart and see the light and so you vote R? Ok, sure. If that makes you feel better.

[Anonymous]

Yep. Asian Americans are in an uncomfortable position.

Harvard and all the elite schools heavily discriminate against Asian Americans, and Harvard even goes as far to say it's because Asian Americans have no personality. All the ending of gifted and talented programs and schools like Thomas Jefferson disproportionately affect Asian Americans and South Asians. And once you do finally get your degrees and apply, you're told you're not diverse enough for the DEI committees who'd rather hire a less qualified person of a different race because, at the end of the day, Asians really don't count as people of color.

Work hard, study hard, start businesses, get ahead in life = you're now all told it's just white supremacy. Meritocracy apparently is racist

You stretch yourself to buy a house in a top rated school district only to be rezoned for a lower ranked school in the name of equity, and when you protest, you're accused of white supremacy.

Most of the Asian-American hate crimes were committed by non-whites, but that apparently doesn't matter. It's still white supremacy.

So what do you do: keep voting for the Democrats, who are the face of the woke progressive left and keep enforcing these double standards on the Asian Americans.

Which, I suppose, is Amy Wax's point. If Asian Americans aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then what's the point in having more Asian Americans to blindly vote for the political party that judges and belittles and sneers at them at every possible opportunity while grabbing all their votes?

The Republicans are just less hypocritical than the Democrats because the Democrats don't practice what they preach while the Republicans are fairly consistent on one thing: curbing immigration.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Which, I suppose, is Amy Wax's point. If Asian Americans aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then what's the point in having more Asian Americans to blindly vote for the political party that judges and belittles and sneers at them at every possible opportunity while grabbing all their votes?

It is interesting that someone can publicly argue that the US should have fewer Asians, a clearly bigoted opinion, yet find support among some posters here. What makes you think that Asian Americans aren't standing up for themselves? Why do you believe they are blinding voting? Maybe they are better informed than you and you are the one who is blinded? At any rate, when you find yourself agreeing with an objectively bigoted position, you probably want to ask yourself where you went wrong.

[Anonymous]

All the Asians I know are conservative. They have conservative values and are affluent. This is in the dc metro area btw.

Nonetheless, this law prof is beyond offensive. No clue how she has kept her job.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Gee, you are blind to your own words.

You don't embrace or agree with every R or their policies, but you think ALL Dems agree with ALL Dem policies? I stated upthread, CA passed Prop 209. Do you know what that is? A liberal state passed a law that prevented universities there from using race as a factor. So, you see, not all liberals agree with affirmative action.

Tell your friend who ponders what his life would be like if he doesn't get in by lottery that he'll figure it out as milions of other people do. The former first lady came here on an HlB as "extraordinary talent" -- snort. Gimme a break. Like the US doesn't have enough models so we had to import them? There are thousands of other would be models around the world who would love an HlB visa to the US. Why shouldn't they have gotten one instead of Melania, who isn't even all that great looking and only modeled in catalogs and men's magazine in soft porn photos.

My family came here via family connections, as did thousands upon thousands of others, white, black, brown, etc.. I suppose to you that should never have happened, right?

Most Asian Americans realize that the R party today aren't supportive of Asian immigrants, nor are they really all that supportive of Asian Americans in general. They only seem to support merit based immigration as a way to exclude certain demographics. As Trump stated, why can't we import more Norwegians rather than people from sh1thole countrles? You think he wants more Chinese or Indians? Sure, he wants rich people because he's an elitist. He doesn't want an HlB Chinese or Indian tech worker, that's for sure.

You are being used as a patsy. Do you know what that means? You are convient for them when they want your support, but once they get what they want, they will turn on you.

We saw Trump do the same thing to people who supported him but didn't agree with everything he said or did. He would turn on them in a heartbeat. That's how Rs operate now.

Do you think the vast majority of Asian Americans are blind and dumb to vote Dem, and only the select few like you are smart and see the light and so you vote R? Ok, sure. If that makes you feel better.

Stop making stuff up. I never said that. I applaud CA's ban on affirmative action but they tried to repeal it and failed. It was on the ballot. And none of this change the fact that affirmative action is alive and well supported in other areas of the county, backed by Democrats who spend money defending it in court, with the support of Asian politicians like Ted Liu. This is sickening. They are racist and proud of it. Not all Democrats, but it is a broadly supported position among Democrats.

You keep ignoring facts placed right in front of you, and just go on repeating the same tired biased opinions based on your personal feelings. I am not going to repeat myself for your benefit. Enjoy supporting affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the Asians I know are conservative. They have conservative values and are affluent. This is in the dc metro area btw.

Nonetheless, this law prof is beyond offensive. No clue how she has kept her job.

Asian Republican here, sad to say this is not what I have seen in my circle. Most are tuned out of politics and trust what CNN says. I don't bring up politics in front of polite company so I just stay silent.

[Anonymous]

Is she suggesting some kind of undesirable Asianness?

Only Nice White People are a problem in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she suggesting some kind of undesirable Asianness?

Only Nice White People are a problem in America.

It's clear she does not understand Asians. Most people realize when they are ignorant of a topic to not have any strong opinions about it.

[Anonymous]

Amy wax and many DCUmers are showing their narrow biased view of Asians. Asians are not a monolithic group. Chinese Asians are different than Korean Asians and Indian Asians. Even within these subgroups there are many different predominant ideologies. Some
Asians vote Republicans and some vote Democratic. Some of them are conservative and some are liberals. Some are bigoted themselves. So it is incorrect to generalize Asians and form a policy position based on biased generalizations. What I find offensive is Amy Wax’s generalization that Asians are culturally less supportive of democracy, cleanliness, and other evolved human behaviors! She basically makes a veiled attempt in promoting how whites are culturally superior to nonwhites! That is racist!

As for my co-Asians who is so against affirmative actions, please open your eyes. You are being pitted against other minorities by the White conservatives so that you do not question their strongholds in the elite Universities. While you are busy fighting against the selection of a few (highly deserving) non-Asian
minority students, you miss fighting against the unfairness of legacy admissions which inherently predominant by Whites. If you really care about meritocracy you need to rally against legacy admission and not affirmative actions. Stop being played!

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Anonymous wrote:Asian citizens are kidding themselves if they think they aren't included in the various POC conservatives want out of the US. It's a big reason most of my family (not me) is conservative.

+1 You’re not White, you will never be White. White supremacy applies to you, too, guys. White supremacy was set up to favor Whites, end of story. Not model Asians, not anyone else. You will never be accepted in the club any more than White women are in the club - a token, here or there, but not of the club.

Given in the recent VA election, Rs elected a white man, a black woman, and a Cuban man, I don’t know how these statements can hold. They were highly supported by conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t throw them under the bus in a heartbeat. It doesn’t mean they’re in the club. Diamond and Silk are also highly supported by conservatives; it doesn’t mean they think those two women are people entitled to full rights. But hey if Republican minorities feel that the practices of the GOP are acceptable and want to let themselves be used, they’re welcome to throw away their votes.

I still don't get this idea that Asian Republicans are being "used". How exactly am I being used, as an Asian American who is also a Republican? My fellow republicans are fighting to protect the ideals of classical liberalism - not all of them, but most. They are also trying to fight against the systemic racist policy that is Affirmative Action. They are trying to implement merit-based immigration, which will help fellow Asians - such as the wonderful student we hosted over Christmas who ponders what his life would be if he did not get a spot in the lottery. He is studying data analytics and would love to apply his abilities in the US than back in Asia. It was such a difficult conversation to have with him, to sense the genuine desire, the ability to do good in society, but can't because of the luck of the draw.

On the other side, we have people like Ted Liu who has stated "I support affirmative action. I also support the use of race in college admissions."

Gee, such a tough choice.

Such black and white thinking. You are stunted which is okay but recognize it. No one is guaranteed anything in this world, including a green card or Your preferred college admission. Sometimes you can pull on your bootstraps all day long and still not make it out your front door. That’s life. When did republicans become so whiny and entitled.

If your border doesn’t get a ticket to work in the US this time around it doesn’t mean he never will, rather maybe he goes somewhere else and builds a life and makes a contribution to his community wherever he lands. You know bootstrap it in less green pastures. And maybe he builds a better life, for himself and others in his second choice homeland. So what if he doesn’t ever get to park his Beamer in the driveway of his McMansion in Ashburn.

That’s the way the cookie crumbles, life isn’t perfect, no one is guaranteed milk and honey, no matter how hard you work or how much you think you deserve it. You are lucky if you get a leg up, and it sounds like your boarder is getting an education, which is a giant leg up, so if he doesn’t land on his feet oh well one more lemon and one less lemming clogging up the works and the wheel keeps turning.

So Get a grip.

Every single person is replaceable/interchangeable, they might not be someone who fits your ideal job candidate or neighbor, culturally, politically, personally or otherwise but they are out there. There are no snowflakes.

I used to respect republicans even if I didn’t personally choose
to befriend them, but this new breed is so whiny and entitled and always with the hand out. Ugh.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which, I suppose, is Amy Wax's point. If Asian Americans aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then what's the point in having more Asian Americans to blindly vote for the political party that judges and belittles and sneers at them at every possible opportunity while grabbing all their votes?

It is interesting that someone can publicly argue that the US should have fewer Asians, a clearly bigoted opinion, yet find support among some posters here. What makes you think that Asian Americans aren't standing up for themselves? Why do you believe they are blinding voting? Maybe they are better informed than you and you are the one who is blinded? At any rate, when you find yourself agreeing with an objectively bigoted position, you probably want to ask yourself where you went wrong.

Um, because I listened to the entire interview and she never said the US should have fewer Asians. She said the US should not have more Asians -- or any other immigrants. (She was responding to the interviewer's statement that Asian immigrants in particular are a net positive for America.)

I think she is very misguided, but not bigoted.