UPenn Law Professor Amy Wax: US "better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration"

[Anonymous]

This passage from Amy shows me how she should have simply kept her views to herself, because they are based in ignorance, by her own admission:

I confess I find Asian support for these policies mystifying, as I fail to see how they are in Asians’ interest. We can speculate (and, yes, generalize) about Asians’ desire to please the elite, single-minded focus on self-advancement, conformity and obsequiousness, lack of deep post-Enlightenment conviction, timidity toward centralized authority (however unreasoned), indifference to liberty, lack of thoughtful and audacious individualism, and excessive tolerance for bossy, mindless social engineering, etc.

Her assessment is at odds with the fact that immigrants are usually the very manifestation of the ideals that conservatives claim to subscribe to: the idea that the individual, by taking action, can improve the circumstances for him/herself and their family, to hold such a strong sense of optimism and bravery to move to a new country, rather than depend on whatever existing social support that they can eek out an existence through in their home country.

The reason Asian immigrants are Democrats is very simple: conservatives have not courted them, they have done a piss-poor job of advocating against the discrimination that Asians face. Instead, from the time someone like me becomes aware, I've been bombarded repeatedly by my teachers, and the media that Republicans are racists and are anti-immigrants, helped in no small part by people like Amy who hold an ignorant view of what motivates me as an Asian American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

You're about ten years too late, my friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

[Anonymous]

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I don't identify with liberals/progressives. My family is fairly conservative and supports the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality, as do many immigrants.

Many of the current Republicans may say they believe in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" but only for other people. They don't practice it themselves. I do not see evidence that they even believe in it for themselves. They seem to believe in "cut others down so you will finally be on the same level as them."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The comments to that article are insane. Some of them are even arguing that progressives have UNFAIRLY stigmatized the words "white nationalism." Ell-Oh-Ell. This country is in for some rough times.

Good twitter thread on this matter:

Also, Amy Wax is a big time speaker with Fed Soc: https://fedsoc.org/past-events?speaker=amy-wax

I hope people begin to understand that Fed Soc is cesspool for these types of "thinkers" to gather.

We should have understood it 30 years ago when they started organizing to control the federal judiciary. Should have been called out as unAmerican then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

No major immigration law has been passed in Congress since 1986. Do you have any source for this or are you just making it up?

[Anonymous]

The ironic thing is a lot of Jews have had the same accusations leveled against them this wax (who is a Jew herself) spewed out.

Jews like wax and Stephen miller who hold these views feel threatened by the competition.

Also zooming out to the global stage, east and South Asia dont get guilt tripped by Jews over matters of Israel and other Jewish issues.

A relatively rising eastern hemisphere and weakening of western oriented order worries Jews because China, India, Korea, Japan aren’t really philosemitic like the US. Just indifferent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ironic thing is a lot of Jews have had the same accusations leveled against them this wax (who is a Jew herself) spewed out.

Jews like wax and Stephen miller who hold these views feel threatened by the competition.

Also zooming out to the global stage, east and South Asia dont get guilt tripped by Jews over matters of Israel and other Jewish issues.

A relatively rising eastern hemisphere and weakening of western oriented order worries Jews because China, India, Korea, Japan aren’t really philosemitic like the US. Just indifferent

Funny you mentioned Jews/Judaism because I actually see this rise of anti-Asian sentiment which is being stoked with slow burning fires growing. I see it increasing attacks and trauma against Asians as a whole for a new decade and hopefully not ending like the Holocaust did for Jews.

That said - Asians here on DCUM and I've spoken to in real life - don't care. So who am I to infer?

- Not an Asian

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Most Asian Americans who came here prior to 2000 were not highly educated, my family included. If Trump had been in office when my Asian immigrant family tried to come to the US, we would not have been able to immigrate here. You can say, "That was then, this is now", but that would be a "shut the door behind me" attitude. Also, a lot of Asian Americans came here via family connections, mine included.

I'm a PP who stated that I used to be a R. As a PP stated.. "that ship has sailed". The R party of today is no longer the party of Reagan. Even Bush can't stand Trump. During Trump's tenure, many high profiled Rs left the party. There's a reason for that.

Do you really think that white Rs will be so happy to have educated Asian Americans take over the corporate world, elite institutions, politics? No. We're just a convenience for them. The Model Minority myth was created by white people in power against the poorer African American group.

Why do you suppose the vast majority of Asian Americans are no longer Rs? Back in the 80s, the majority of Asian Americans were Rs, but slowly that's shifted.

https://theconversation.com/asian-americans-political-preferences-have-flipped-from-red-to-blue-145577

Why do you suppose this racist person wrote what she did? She didn't call out Latinos. She called out Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ironic thing is a lot of Jews have had the same accusations leveled against them this wax (who is a Jew herself) spewed out.

Jews like wax and Stephen miller who hold these views feel threatened by the competition.

Also zooming out to the global stage, east and South Asia dont get guilt tripped by Jews over matters of Israel and other Jewish issues.

A relatively rising eastern hemisphere and weakening of western oriented order worries Jews because China, India, Korea, Japan aren’t really philosemitic like the US. Just indifferent

She's Jewish? Wow. Most Jews are Dems. Why doesn't she say the same about Jews and not letting them into the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

Are you sure that a Republican-led merit system would benefit Asians? One of the merits they seem to favor is being white. Remember Trump saying we need more Norwegians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing this Jeff.

I'm an Asian American who is also a Republican. I don't believe her views represent the mainstream in the Republican party. The existence of people like her doesn't change my preference for political positions aligned with classical liberalism, which currently is the Republican party. There are terrible people who call themselves Republicans and I am not going to abandon my values just because there are some bad people who hold abhorrent views also have these same values.

Can I just say...a party that doesn't cancel a President or any leadership that repeatedly stokes hate by referring to a 'K*ng Flu virus' or 'China virus' is one that represents the mainstream in the Republican party. You can't have it both ways, you either see this anti-Asian rhetoric solely in GOP leadership or you don't. Vote for them or don't. But don't complain when more anti-asian policies and rhetoric are espoused.

It's not having it both ways for me to support the parts of Republican party platform I agree with even though there are terrible people in the party. I'll note that Republican is the party that is trying to put in place a merit-based immigration system, one which will predominantly benefit Asian Americans. Democrats are fighting tooth and nail against such a merit-based system.

Republicans, led by Trump, are also the ones who put in place a complete and total visa ban, which predominantly discriminated against Asian Americans. I mean sure you can support the GOP just say you don't care if or when any racist policies come forth and are announced straight from the microphones at the White House and affect people who look like you.

I'm smart enough to know that the visa ban was done to limit international travel due to COVID. It was not aimed at Asians, Asians just felt a significant impact. The same could be said of professional sports game ban against African Americans, although it would be foolish to claim that such a ban was racist against AAs. The only real actual racist policy I know of are from Democrats who support affirmative action to discriminate against Asians based on the color of our skin. They defend this practice all the way to the supreme court.

Look, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Asian immigrants, join the Republicans in calling for merit-based immigration system, which will predominantly benefit south and east Asians.

I'm not concerned. I just find it funny you're hellbent on ending Affirmative Action meanwhile a tenured law professor at an Ivy League University you obviously are desperate to have an affiliation with is telling kids who look like you and yours that they don't belong here and she wants to stop all immigration of assorted people from the same background.

But that's Republican values for you. Maybe if your kid does get into UPENN or PENN Law, they'll be lucky to be taught such an amazing representative of the party.