Liberal policing and policies in San Francisco

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that progressive policies are too lax towards crime and troubling. The problem is that conservatives don’t offer a good enough alternative. Stop and Frisk is not an option. The cavalier way in which some would throw out our constitutional rights for lower crime outcomes is scary. We need to uphold order and constitutional protections simultaneously. This should not be rocket science.

The trick with conservatives is that they only care about their own rights and freedoms. But they will gladly strip rights and freedoms away from anyone else in a heartbeat.

Wait - I thought that was the thinking of the democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

Antifa only exists in Republican heads. Don’t but into the right’s fear mongering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

Antifa only exists in Republican heads. Don’t but into the right’s fear mongering.

Looks like you live in a bubble. Or is denying facts a new strategy for Dems? Or just straight up lying? I live on the West Coast and witnessed plenty of white antifa males during unrest. Also my whole city’s downtown was boarded up for many many months. Looting, fire and destruction was a frequent occurrence. Glad it was not in your city

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

Antifa only exists in Republican heads. Don’t but into the right’s fear mongering.

of course it's real. I do have eyes. This is the problem in a nutshell...thinking one side can just explain away an issue/event that doesn't fit their narrative by blaming the other side ...."Russian trolls"..."liberal media"...."faux news"...I have eyes...I can see what is going on. But please, keep talking down to me...its such a winning formula to gain votes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Silence from the district attorney when asked about consequences for offenders.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/exchange-with-san-francisco-district-attorney-chesa-boudin/2739905/

That idiot needs to go. ASAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

On DCUM, the only rooting is for the left, for liberal causes, and for the democratic party, whether those things are good for the country or not.

Really? Because I keep seeing tons of right-wing circle jerk threads here on DCUM.

But you curiously ignore the tons of left-wing circle jerk threads here on DCUM. How typical.
DP

[Anonymous]

I suspect Amazon is behind a lot of these smash and grab operations to keep people out of retail stores and to force shops to close.

If one of the ringleaders could be caught, all paths would lead to Bezos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.

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It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.

Bring back law enforcement and policing practices that lead to inherently unequal justice outcomes? Yea keep trying to reimpose this through fear-mongering.

Dude, California is seeing mobs of people looting stores day after day after day. It’s not fear-mongering when it’s actually happening.

You know what the definition of looting is. Here is a hint. It is not organized gangs breaking in to high end stores to steal things.

Can you clarify why you see this distinction as important?

There's definitely organized crime going on, whether gangs or otherwise. I recall a video from Chicago during the height of BLM protests, where someone at 2AM filmed an entire fleet of U-Hauls and a crew of around 20 people breaking in to and cleaning out a CVS store. Clearly organized and preplanned.

So what? They’re all degenerate losers with zero self respect.

They really don't give 2 Fs about self-respect. They live in the moment, because they'll be dead before they're fifty form gunshots, knife wounds, diabetes, heart disease, drug overdoses or alcoholism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SF is out of control and the people saying "then don't live there" are not recognizing that SF is the cradle of our tech industry. The number of people flowing in and out of SF for business make it a national problem, not a local one. Even a few years ago, things were rough but I would still take my kids. Now, absolutely not. It's a dystopian nightmare, and possibly a glimpse into our grim future if we adopt these policies nationally. I absolutely can't believe we let a city like SF fall in this manner.

So much hysteria, so few facts. The homeless/crime problem in SF is concentrated in around Market, SOMA, and the Tenderloin, which were never that great to start with. There are dozens of other neighborhoods in SF that are perfectly safe.

Either you don't spend any time in SF or you do and are willfully ignoring the way it's changed. The homeless are not taking up every piece of sidewalk like they do in the Tenderloin, but even places like Nob Hill have large amounts of homeless, open air drug injections, and feces on the ground. I don't need to cite facts for you, everyone who goes to SF regularly knows it is a hellhole right now. As a woman I have to uber everywhere. I can't even walk a few blocks safely. Wake up, it's not left like Sweden, it's left like Venezuela.

You can’t walk a few blocks? I mean I wouldn’t walk through the tenderloin at night, alone, flashing a bunch of jewelry as I scroll through my new iPhone and juggle my LV shopping bags around, but I’ve not felt uncomfortable walking wherever I need to go. I mean there are homeless people, and it’s not clean, but it’s not generally scary/unsafe. Same with BART.

The coordinated thefts happening now are happening all over the Bay Area and police are making arrests. These aren’t small time thefts, it’s huge groups smashing into stores, overwhelming everyone, taking everything and leaving in getaway cars within minutes. I don’t know that professional is the best term but they’re planned, coordinated, and efficient. I honestly don’t see what’s to stop a group of people from doing this anywhere. Even if your security guard is armed, how do one or two guards stop dozens of people? We don’t know if the robbers are armed or not, but if they are, I’m sure that armed guards trying to stop them won’t end well. The local news reported they took 100k of merchandise from the union square LV store. They’re limiting traffic around union square to try to prevent easy getaways, and they’ve arrested some people already. I’m sure they’ll be arresting more people soon, and hopefully this can all come to an end.

Honestly, the idea of getting caught in the crossfire of a “good guy with a gun” trying to stop these a**holes and them shooting back is far scarier than walking a few blocks in the city or even being in the general area when one of these thefts goes down. I haven’t changed my shopping habits or areas where I walk in the city due to crime or fear of crime. I know things happen but things happen everywhere.

She's afraid of rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect Amazon is behind a lot of these smash and grab operations to keep people out of retail stores and to force shops to close.

If one of the ringleaders could be caught, all paths would lead to Bezos.

Yeah, it’s the Illuminati and Amazon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people can't say that Antifa had devastating/violent riots, Rittenhouse killed those guys and shouldn't have been there and allowing shoplifting/petty crimes is bad for a community. Can't all of these things be true? Or do we just only root for our side?? Why do people justify one and not the other?

To me...they are all dumb, stupid acts carried out by idiots. I could care less about the politics. Now as far as offering up a solution, I would start by electing officials that don't believe these types of acts are acceptable or given excuses. If safety isn't at the top of the officials list of priorities, you have the wrong candidate.

On DCUM, the only rooting is for the left, for liberal causes, and for the democratic party, whether those things are good for the country or not.

Really? Because I keep seeing tons of right-wing circle jerk threads here on DCUM.

But you curiously ignore the tons of left-wing circle jerk threads here on DCUM. How typical.
DP

Circle jerk and DCUM. I see what u did there.

[Anonymous]

SF is a trash pit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:SF is out of control and the people saying "then don't live there" are not recognizing that SF is the cradle of our tech industry. The number of people flowing in and out of SF for business make it a national problem, not a local one. Even a few years ago, things were rough but I would still take my kids. Now, absolutely not. It's a dystopian nightmare, and possibly a glimpse into our grim future if we adopt these policies nationally. I absolutely can't believe we let a city like SF fall in this manner.

So much hysteria, so few facts. The homeless/crime problem in SF is concentrated in around Market, SOMA, and the Tenderloin, which were never that great to start with. There are dozens of other neighborhoods in SF that are perfectly safe.

Either you don't spend any time in SF or you do and are willfully ignoring the way it's changed. The homeless are not taking up every piece of sidewalk like they do in the Tenderloin, but even places like Nob Hill have large amounts of homeless, open air drug injections, and feces on the ground. I don't need to cite facts for you, everyone who goes to SF regularly knows it is a hellhole right now. As a woman I have to uber everywhere. I can't even walk a few blocks safely. Wake up, it's not left like Sweden, it's left like Venezuela.

You can’t walk a few blocks? I mean I wouldn’t walk through the tenderloin at night, alone, flashing a bunch of jewelry as I scroll through my new iPhone and juggle my LV shopping bags around, but I’ve not felt uncomfortable walking wherever I need to go. I mean there are homeless people, and it’s not clean, but it’s not generally scary/unsafe. Same with BART.

The coordinated thefts happening now are happening all over the Bay Area and police are making arrests. These aren’t small time thefts, it’s huge groups smashing into stores, overwhelming everyone, taking everything and leaving in getaway cars within minutes. I don’t know that professional is the best term but they’re planned, coordinated, and efficient. I honestly don’t see what’s to stop a group of people from doing this anywhere. Even if your security guard is armed, how do one or two guards stop dozens of people? We don’t know if the robbers are armed or not, but if they are, I’m sure that armed guards trying to stop them won’t end well. The local news reported they took 100k of merchandise from the union square LV store. They’re limiting traffic around union square to try to prevent easy getaways, and they’ve arrested some people already. I’m sure they’ll be arresting more people soon, and hopefully this can all come to an end.

Honestly, the idea of getting caught in the crossfire of a “good guy with a gun” trying to stop these a**holes and them shooting back is far scarier than walking a few blocks in the city or even being in the general area when one of these thefts goes down. I haven’t changed my shopping habits or areas where I walk in the city due to crime or fear of crime. I know things happen but things happen everywhere.

She's afraid of rape.

Walking a couple blocks in San Francisco? So she takes uber where she’s alone with a likely male driver in his car? Okay.

[Anonymous]

We live in SF now after a decade in DC. I cannot wait to leave. We're in one of the nicer, more family friendly neighborhoods (the Richmond) and in three years here we've had bikes stolen from our garage, a human being pooped in front of our house and my toddler found it (with his hands), and a crazy man knocked all our planters off our porch and then moved on to our neighbor's house, where he screamed obscenities at a mom and newborn through their ground-floor windows while throwing food at their windows/door. (They've since moved.) Our local Walgreens closed because of retail theft, which I personally witnessed a half dozen times, and this week two cars were driving down our big commercial street, firing shots at each other.

And for the pleasure of living like this, we paid over a million for a tiny "remodeled" condo in a building that we've recently discovered needs about $500k in repairs due to a super shady/bad contractor whose friend and long-time engineer (and the engineer of record on our remodel) has been indicted multiple times for bank fraud, permit fraud, and pay-to-play.

Then there's our schools.

I'm not saying there aren't things I like about the city - starting with our response to Covid, which really was a national model, imho - but SF is just on a whole other level when it comes to other aspects of quality of life. We had bikes stolen in DC and of course, there was crime. But SF is just.... more bad. And more frequent bad. And a wider variety of bad sh*t happening that no one wants to have to endure over 10 years, let alone in three.