US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

It’s amusing some people think anything will meaningfully change. It’s not like PREPPED test scores and gpas will suddenly rule all.

Fixed that for you.

I never understand just picking on test.

You can bump up GPA with tutoring.
You can spend $$$ for fancy ECs, research activity, private coaches
You can hire professional writerse for essays

In fact, again and agan Aisans had higher scores on almost all factors including ECs, leadership, interview, etc.

+1

Unbelievable. Asians actually think they are the superior race. Remind you of anyone??

How do you say HITLER is Chinese?

Looks like you are new to this. Welcome.
This fact was revealed during the case.
It was part of the reasons for the case because this is a clear indication of Asian kids discriminated.
They didn't just score well on GPA and Test as you can see.

I don't see how you say Hitler in Chinese?

You don't seem to be properly educated.
Care more about education

Got it. Superior race. Yup.

PP is advocating for scientific racism, a truly disgusting ideology. No point in arguing with or engaging such a person.

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Applicants can write about their race and be part of racially focused organizations, so colleges can still seek a wide range of people.

In a way, elite colleges may have brought this on themselves by working to increase their applicant numbers. That could have resulted in more ticked off rejects.

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Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Quite the opposite, white liberals are the real white nationalist authoritarianits today. Too bad many people cannot see it.

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

It’s really sad. Kids shouldn’t have to expose their pain in an essay.

That is what the essay is for. To help the AOs get to "know" your kid and what they can bring to the school.....HOLISTIC!!

But not exposing pain. Just one sentence in one essay is enough "The reason I made a A- in that one class is because my parents let me be a well rounded kid and allowed me to play team sports, hang out some weekends, go to movies, etc... instead of studying all the time under extreme academic pressure like my Asian friends (who told me what their parents say about people of my race)."

LOL. There's nothing wrong with wanting your children to be well-rounded, but you can't have it all. Don't train them to take it easy on weekends while also giving them the expectation of getting into top universities because there's lots of kids out there working hard 24/7. There's a reason top startups and finance firms hire from top schools: the hours are grueling and not everyone can handle it. There are plenty of good schools and jobs for kids who don't want to be "on" all the time, but don't think "Why can't my child get into Harvard or Duke because I let them have a life."

+1 well said

Except that Harvard and Duke also want children who had a life and also excelled. Not every graduate is going into grueling hours/high paying jobs from these schools--some people want to have social impact, some people want to be a scholar. The schools don't want people who just hyper-focused on markers of achievement (grades, test scores) but rather have a sense of purpose of some sort beyond that. There are plenty of students of all races and backgrounds who reflect this. Sure they have had to work very hard, but it's not all directed at having the highest GPA and SAT scores--that's not the only marker of achievement, purpose and value that the schools care about.

Exactly. Schools like Harvard and Duke aspire to be universities, not academic sweatshops.

Education is being turned into a competition, a game. It’s not a game, we aren’t all robots cramming, trying to achieve the highest scores. What does that prove exactly? Most people with average IQs are fully capable of equal achievement, some are just pushed at a younger age by parents, some mature later and find success on their own. We have become ruthless, doing whatever it takes to ‘win’. Although some of us missed the memo and are lagging behind.

It has truly been a game for white people who can buy their children into elite schools through sports and donation.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

And? What does this mean for this decision?

If the argument is that white women unfairly benefit from AA while minorities have not benefited, then that's an argument against AA, isn't it? At least as a mechanism for increasing racial diversity.

If white women benefit more from AA than other groups, then the fact that white women as a group tend to dislike AA means either (1) white women are dumb and don't understand how they benefit, or (2) white women are savvy and somewhat selfless, recognizing AA isn't helping minorities and therefore rejecting it even though it benefits them. Either way, the fact that AA has benefited white women more than any other group is only relevant if you think it means something for the decision to eliminate it.

So what do you think it means?

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

No one gets a bump anymore for being a woman applying to Harvard. The 1980s called and wants it’s talking point back.

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Regarding MIT being one dimensional- so be it. It’s a specialized stem school and the best students should go there if they want. There are lots of other schools to go to and in fact there is a record drop in college enrollment lately so everyone can find a place and college grads along with non college grads leave plenty of room for a vibrant and diverse society. There is no reason to insert lower qualified students into top programs to be diverse. It’s a four year college not a utopia. So what if the diverse lower performers go to a tier 2 or 3 school instead - that is where they belong if their stats say so. They should push high achiever out of the better schools because they are diverse. That is BS. Everywhere I see AA I see problems, including corporate America. It’s been a bad situation for 20 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

Don't women outscore and outnumber men these days in applications. When comparing college admissions stats you don't typically see women getting in with lower grades and test scores vs men like you do with URM applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

What? How?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

Don't women outscore and outnumber men these days in applications. When comparing college admissions stats you don't typically see women getting in with lower grades and test scores vs men like you do with URM applicants.

+1

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

Don't women outscore and outnumber men these days in applications. When comparing college admissions stats you don't typically see women getting in with lower grades and test scores vs men like you do with URM applicants.

DP. On average, women have higher grades and lower scores, and accordingly benefit from test optional policies. Many top colleges have a slight gender imbalance with more women than men and that has been the case for some years now.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

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Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

Statistically, almost no one gets into Harvard. Plenty of African immigrants with amazing test scores and grades and phenomenal essays have been rejected from Harvard. Some have gotten in but most haven't. So the idea that an applicant with this profile will have to settle for Tufts is meaningless -- statistically, they were never likely to get into Harvard. Perhaps more likely than an Asian immigrant applicant or a white applicant with the same numbers, but still extremely unlikely.

This decision is not going to impact that experience of applying to Ivies or other very selective private universities at all. And those schools will also still find a way to have racially diverse classes, using proxy factors that they'll game to ensure it.

How it impacts other schools will depend on their current applicant pool and yield. I don't think this will impact the experience of the average applicant, of any background, that much at all.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Quite the opposite, white liberals are the real white nationalist authoritarianits today. Too bad many people cannot see it.

Yes, such a shame many people can’t see it.