Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

No, it's not.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

It’s not. Of course they didn’t deserve to be murdered or victimized in any way. The suspect is clearly 100% at fault. But there are people like this who exist in the world and while you can’t always prevent becoming a victim, you can do things that at least slightly reduce the risk. Locking the doors regularly/not having an open door policy is one of them. Nobody knows if that would have prevented what happened here, but lots of criminals, particularly in home invasion cases, have said that locked doors deterred them from entering a home. At the very least, locking the door would have given them time/warning to wake up and fight back. It’s just a basic safety precaution that everyone, everywhere should take. Saying that isn’t victim blaming.

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Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

"As safe as possible" is impractical?

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

"As safe as possible" is impractical?

Yes. If you wanted to stay “as safe as possible” you would never go to college or live on your own. You would never drive a car.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.

That's an impractical view of risk management.

"As safe as possible" is impractical?

Yes. If you wanted to stay “as safe as possible” you would never go to college or live on your own. You would never drive a car. [/quote
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You're overthinking words. But feel free to do whatever

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

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Multiple outlets now reporting that he did follow one of the girls on IG and messaged them repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple outlets now reporting that he did follow one of the girls on IG and messaged them repeatedly.

I’m sorry but these girls were young, attractive college students and at least 1-2 of them appeared to have a serious significant other. Why would he possibly think any of them would be interested in an awkward, creepy looking older man?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, did you read that the doors were unlocked? I haven't seen that information. If not, it's premature to identify that as a factor in these murders .

No one knows this ..(except maybe LE)…it could have been an honest mistake if it was unlocked -Someone forgot to lock the door or someone did lock it and then someone went in and out and it was left unlocked. In any event, a quadruple stabbing murder in a town like Moscow is an incredibly rare event (and a rare event generally), and maybe there isn’t anything that could have prevented their deaths. It’s really easy to point fingers and say you wouldn’t do this or that.. Then that one time you slip up and make a mistake bc you’re a human and something happens to you, and people start blaming you instead of the psychopath that inflicted the harm? Severe lacking of compassion, grace, and respect for humanity, honestly.

It may have been left unlocked per usual, or it may have been left unlocked by a visitor, or a drunk visitor or a drunk tenant. There is no saying. Plus, it is always important to have multiple safeties in place for any sliding doors, including alarms.

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I lived in a house in college with a bunch of people and we never locked our doors. So stupid but we were young and caught up in college life.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

OMG. So many people here saying they had similar party house experiences and you saunter in to disparage the girls and say no, everyone is wrong.

Your experience was different. It's ok.

Can hardly believe that posters like you are acting like it's a safe lifestyle.