Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

I lived in a house like that. One of my roommates fell asleep on the couch. He woke up to a man that another roommate had just hooked up with going through the living room to rob us. My roommate was a recent ex-Army guy then attending college, and he knocked the stranger down and threw him out. But the other roommate hooked up with 2-3 randos a month and it was a common thing for strange men to be in the house.

One of my room mates, long ago, was federal law enforcement and brought her weapon home. Her then room mate had randos over all the time, and she had to move out because she never knew who was going to be in the kitchen the next morning. So dangerous!

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

There’s a sociology professor on TikTok who has been discussing this case and is really good. He points out that she didn’t actually say frozen in fear. She said she froze in shock, which indicates that she was startled or surprised. He says she was probably more irritated than scared that night because her roommates were being loud and she was trying to sleep. Nothing she saw/heard that night would have been alarming for her situation and certainly no reason to call 911.

Who is the tik tok prof?

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

There’s a sociology professor on TikTok who has been discussing this case and is really good. He points out that she didn’t actually say frozen in fear. She said she froze in shock, which indicates that she was startled or surprised. He says she was probably more irritated than scared that night because her roommates were being loud and she was trying to sleep. Nothing she saw/heard that night would have been alarming for her situation and certainly no reason to call 911.

Who is the tik tok prof?

@caseylytle

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

This really isn’t typical for women. I was in a sorority at a large public university and we all either lived in-house or in apartments with 2-3 girls where we rarely had parties. No girls wanted the mess of parties and people in and out of their house like that. For boys though, this setup was typical.

Which sort of says a lot about these girls, again, not victim blaming, just pointing out facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

There’s a sociology professor on TikTok who has been discussing this case and is really good. He points out that she didn’t actually say frozen in fear. She said she froze in shock, which indicates that she was startled or surprised. He says she was probably more irritated than scared that night because her roommates were being loud and she was trying to sleep. Nothing she saw/heard that night would have been alarming for her situation and certainly no reason to call 911.

Who is the tik tok prof?

@caseylytle

Thanks.

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I think you also need to remember where it happened. There hadn't been a murder in Moscow for 7 to 8 years and that one was by an instructor who killed a grad student he had been romantically involved with. So, people thought the town was "safe." Obviously, nowhere is totally safe, but people in towns like this don't worry about crime and don't take precautions against it.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

You are absolutely correct that no one deserves to be hurt or killed. Truth is though...being drunk, leaving doors unlocked, allowing an assortment of people you do not know to enter /leave your home as they please, being out at night alone. these choices do make crimes more likely.

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Was it actually a "party house" or are we calling it a party house because it had 6 people living there?

A known party house. The sister of one of the girls said on 20/20 that it had been a party house since before they moved in.

What does a known party house mean?

There are houses in college towns that just turn over from one group of hosts to another each year—the houses themselves are usually rented as one big unit, often have a high # of bedrooms and some jammed in baths. This one looks newer than the ones in Ann Arbor, but the phenomenon is 100% familiar and no one who has lived in a town like this is confused by what “party house” means.

Interesting! Thank you for taking the time to explain. I'm an older poster and honestly had never heard that term.

Np. For example, my freshman year, I became friends with some people who lived at "The Oak St House." They had parties every weekend. When 2 of them moved out, the other two were looking for roommates, so my best friend and I moved in. Residents always turned over like that... Friends from the party scene taking over leases, parties continued.

PP here who asked. Thanks for this description. All new to me!

It’s really important to the question of what the roommate saw and what she probably inferred, too. To be clear, if the reporting so far is accurate, she says she was terrified by this man—not that she thought he was a hookup or w/ev. But the background fact that houses of this size in college towns are often effectively revolving-door setups helps to explain how an element of rationalization (/denial) could have been working in her mind as well.

This policecam video shows what was typical at their party house. This is the second police visit in the same day for noise complaints. Maddy didn't even mention to Xana that the police were there for a noise complaint earlier. The extra people in the house don't live there. Xana is the only tenant home at the time. People came and went. The layout with the front and back doors made it even harder to keep track of what was going on at the house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgXPydE0As

That's a very dangerous setup.

This is large public U for ya. And ignorant public U parents will scream til their blue in the face living off-campus is awesome and teaching your kids how to be adults.

Well I went to a public U and lived off campus and nothing like this ever happened. It all depends on your kid and the roommates they choose.

FFS. Victim blame much?

Guess what? Choices do matter

It sounds heartless, but I sort of agree. I’m not “victim blaming” but sometimes our poor choices and decisions lead to dire consequences.

Their parents all probably thought, look at our kids, so well rounded, off to college, very popular, they can handle themselves!

These kids had noise complaints and police contact frequently. They had people in and out all the time. They probably left the doors unlocked!

Let’s face it: kids this age make really, really stupid choices, and their parents happily find it, because look at my successful, popular kid!

Oh yeah, you are definitely victim blaming. And projecting quite a lot, I might add.

No one deserves to be stalked, then murdered in their sleep by an incel (or anyone else, for that matter).

+1000

So true. Now figure out how to stay as safe as possible in this imperfect world in which violent people are walking around.