Oakton crash

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

You should not have a license.

I only turn when it’s clear of pedestrians and other cars. And I don’t linger in the opposing lane in an intersection.

I’m good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

It’s not BS.

We will learn more from the investigation but just looking at evidence so far it looks very likely that the Toyota made an error of some kind that put him in the path of a speeding car. Maybe he gets “absolved” by law but it looks like an error was made. Not sure why some people are so adamant that he absolutely, positively did zero wrong. Very irrational.

It is utter BS because you don't know what you're talking about. Were you there when the crash happened? Are you a member of the crash reconstruction unit? Do you have access to any evidence that is not public? No. You're a NOBODY! No one is interested in your armchair expert opinions. You're just a loser with a keyboard, taking a break from your boring job.

Once the charges are pressed and your curiosity is satisfied you'll move on to some other topic where you'll play the expert. Meanwhile two kids are dead, one is injured, one will most likely spend some time in jail. So many people's lives will never be the same again. So many people will live with grief the rest of their lives. Are you even capable of understanding that? So stop your nonsense speculations and find something else to fill your sad, empty life with.

Sounds like you should skip this thread if it’s too tough for you to civilly discuss the topic.

But anyone who has a basic understanding of physics and heard the police say that the Toyota has started moving can see the very basics of which car went where.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

You probably misread. Nobody said that.

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

At fault not at fault... how would we know? We weren't there. We aren't investigators.
Stop trying to convict someone just because you want to.

[Anonymous]

I have heard from someone that the driver was not having license. That would be a crime...parents should pay the price in this case for negligence. If the driver was also under influence, crossed red light, or was driving in excess of say 30-40MPH, he has committed a big felony. The Toyota angle would also be looked at by the investigators. Rest is pure speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard from someone that the driver was not having license. That would be a crime...parents should pay the price in this case for negligence. If the driver was also under influence, crossed red light, or was driving in excess of say 30-40MPH, he has committed a big felony. The Toyota angle would also be looked at by the investigators. Rest is pure speculation.

That is a minor inconsequential detail. As anyone with a basic understanding of physics will tell you, it was the Toyota……(fill in the blanks)

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

You probably misread. Nobody said that.

Nope. You just jumped in at the end of the thread. There have been repeated posts about an old 4Runner causing the accident and was probably just someone looking for a payout. If you don’t want to read the whole thread - cool. But don’t jump in with false claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have heard from someone that the driver was not having license. That would be a crime...parents should pay the price in this case for negligence. If the driver was also under influence, crossed red light, or was driving in excess of say 30-40MPH, he has committed a big felony. The Toyota angle would also be looked at by the investigators. Rest is pure speculation.

The driver was licensed. Police do not believe drugs or alcohol were involved. The light was not red. Parents aren’t liable for negligence of an 18-yr old legal adult driver. The excessive speed has been discussed ad nauseam for 50 pages. But thanks for stopping by!

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The driver was licensed. Police do not believe drugs or alcohol were involved. The light was not red. Parents aren’t liable for negligence of an 18-yr old legal adult driver. The excessive speed has been discussed ad nauseam for 50 pages. But thanks for stopping by!

I've only heard that the police comment that alcohol was not involved. Where is your source that drugs were not involved?

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

You probably misread. Nobody said that.

Nope. You just jumped in at the end of the thread. There have been repeated posts about an old 4Runner causing the accident and was probably just someone looking for a payout. If you don’t want to read the whole thread - cool. But don’t jump in with false claims.

I’ve been reading the whole thread. No one was solely blaming the 4Runner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

It's a bargaining scam called door-in-the-face: start by campaigning for something over-the-top ("The 4runner driver is to blame too") in order to fool people to acquiesce to something which is still unreasonable ("The BMW driver has a promising future ahead of him, so let's not ruin it by holding him accountable to the law"). PP's BS is fully intended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.

Yes actually they have. Repeatedly over the last 48 pages. Read the thread.

You probably misread. Nobody said that.

Nope. You just jumped in at the end of the thread. There have been repeated posts about an old 4Runner causing the accident and was probably just someone looking for a payout. If you don’t want to read the whole thread - cool. But don’t jump in with false claims.

I’ve been reading the whole thread. No one was solely blaming the 4Runner.

Yes, someone was doing exactly that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

I'm well beyond high school - I really did mean that you're being dumb. Ruling out the obvious based on known facts is fully consistent with being open-minded and not rushing to judgment. In fact, using one's mind and good taste is expected in this kind of situation.

Name calling? Definitely good taste.

Ruling out scenarios that are very likely and supported by facts is not “open minded” at all.

Nobody's name-calling you. They're just calling a duck a duck. I'm not aware of any reasonable scenarios where the speed of the BMW doesn't absolve the 4runner of fault.

Name calling is not good taste. No matter how you try to spin it.

“Absolve”. So the Toyota did do something wrong. Thank you.

“Absolve”

No. You're just not smart enough to understand the definition of the word absolve. It does not mean that the Toyota driver did anything wrong, in any way, shape or form. It means exactly the opposite.

Nobody is name calling you. Your trolling is in poor taste. Your weaseling is shameless. And you are, indeed, dumb.

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Has there been any charges yet against the POS that killed these girls? Why isn't he in jail?