Oakton crash

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

It’s not BS.

We will learn more from the investigation but just looking at evidence so far it looks very likely that the Toyota made an error of some kind that put him in the path of a speeding car. Maybe he gets “absolved” by law but it looks like an error was made. Not sure why some people are so adamant that he absolutely, positively did zero wrong. Very irrational.

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

It’s not BS.

We will learn more from the investigation but just looking at evidence so far it looks very likely that the Toyota made an error of some kind that put him in the path of a speeding car. Maybe he gets “absolved” by law but it looks like an error was made. Not sure why some people are so adamant that he absolutely, positively did zero wrong. Very irrational.

DP. We get it. You aggressively drive some "watch-me-I'm-somebody" car and you speed on a regular basis. Here are a few more lawyers contradicting what you're saying. The PP is right that you need another hobby.

Whether a car had the right to make a left-hand turn or not, another driver could be at fault if he or she was negligent or reckless. For example, if the driver going straight was driving significantly over the speed limit, making it difficult for the turning driver to accurately gauge whether or not it was safe to cross.
https://www.knappandroberts.com/whos-at-fault-in-left-turn-car-accident/

When is a car making a left hand turn not at fault for an accident?

The driver of a car turning left may contend that:

The other driver was speeding so fast he wasn’t there when the turn was initiated.
https://ellisinjurylaw.com/is-a-car-making-a-left-turn-always-at-fault-for-an-accident/

Speeding

Another situation that can deem a left-turning driver not at fault is when they make a left turn in an area with a speed limit but oncoming traffic is driving over the speed limit. If a left-turn accident occurs, then the left-turning driver may not be at fault in this case.
https://www.plfirm.com/post/left-turn-accident-fault

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Hard to believe that someone is lobbying hard on an anonymous (sorta) platform to shift any blame from the BMW driver. You know this forum doesn’t count in court, right?

[Anonymous]

The BMW driver should absolutely be held accountable for his actions.

So should the Toyota driver. Guess he got “lucky” that the other driver made a bigger mistake than he did so he gets “absolved”.

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Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

DP. Just cut this BS already. Enough is enough. Go find some other hobby.

It’s not BS.

We will learn more from the investigation but just looking at evidence so far it looks very likely that the Toyota made an error of some kind that put him in the path of a speeding car. Maybe he gets “absolved” by law but it looks like an error was made. Not sure why some people are so adamant that he absolutely, positively did zero wrong. Very irrational.

It is utter BS because you don't know what you're talking about. Were you there when the crash happened? Are you a member of the crash reconstruction unit? Do you have access to any evidence that is not public? No. You're a NOBODY! No one is interested in your armchair expert opinions. You're just a loser with a keyboard, taking a break from your boring job.

Once the charges are pressed and your curiosity is satisfied you'll move on to some other topic where you'll play the expert. Meanwhile two kids are dead, one is injured, one will most likely spend some time in jail. So many people's lives will never be the same again. So many people will live with grief the rest of their lives. Are you even capable of understanding that? So stop your nonsense speculations and find something else to fill your sad, empty life with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The BMW driver should absolutely be held accountable for his actions.

So should the Toyota driver. Guess he got “lucky” that the other driver made a bigger mistake than he did so he gets “absolved”.

Sounds like this event is personal to you.

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The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

+100. Disgusting.

+1 One can be open-minded and believe in witholding judgement, yet still be able to rule out "4runner driver shares fault" as a legitimate opinion.

That is the exact *opposite* of open-minded and withholding judgment.

No, you're just too dumb to realize it.

I guess the Oakton high schoolers are on DCUM now. Sorry you lost a friend. When you are older you will see that the Toyota also made an error.

Once you've made it beyond high school, maybe you'll realize that the deaths of innocents isn't the right subject for trolling.

Tell that to the jerks who are name calling and posting ridiculous crap and trying to say that the Toyota did nothing wrong.

DP. You don’t know that the Toyota driver did anything wrong. The only information that has been released by law enforcement so far as to fault is that the BMW was traveling at an excessive speed.

They also said the Toyota started turning again after the girls crossed. And we can see the location of damage on the two cars and final resting spots.

That doesn’t mean the Toyota did anything wrong. If the BMW was not yet visible due to the turn/curve when the Toyota started its turn, then the driver did nothing wrong.

If the Toyota turned slow AF, as some on here have admitted doing, then that is an error.

You should not have a license.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

It’s not deflecting. It’s acknowledging that *two* mistakes were made.

Why fight so vigorously to deny that?

Because it's a lie. Oh, and the Toyota driver isn't getting arrested. Just FYI.

I once got into an accident while I was making a turn. I said the car that hit me was speeding. I was still at fault since the speeding car had right of way. I remember telling the cop, my parents and insurance that I did not see the car and it came out of nowhere so fast.

Please review the thread. This has been covered extensively. The excessive rate of speed of the BMW 100% nullifies this under state law. Next!

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Anonymous wrote:
The kid but not the Toyota driver? Both were at fault.


Exactly right. It's obvious from the accident description and pictures.

The repeated attempts here to deflect blame away from the teen driver and onto the Toyota driver are disgusting. And yammering that "it's obvious from the accident description and pictures" means less than nothing unless you are an accident investigator who has had access to ALL the images and data and the scene itself. Are you? Nope. Wait for the real investigators to do their jobs.

And you both want to ignore the fact, brought up repeatedly earlier in the thread with the specific law cited, that excessive speed negates certain rights of way. The teen driver's excessive speed (exact speed still be be proven but witnesses clearly said it was extreme) is very possibly going to negate any right of way violation the Toyota driver might have committed. But the investigation, not your speculation or mine, will determine that.

It’s not deflecting. It’s acknowledging that *two* mistakes were made.

Why fight so vigorously to deny that?

Because it's a lie. Oh, and the Toyota driver isn't getting arrested. Just FYI.

I don’t think the Toyota driver should get arrested. That doesn’t mean that he is not partly at fault.

Keep repeating it. It still won’t make it true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for all these children. How are there 47 pages here about a minor. What is wrong with you people. If you're so enraged, put up cash to victim families or shut up.

It's 47 pages about an 18-year-old adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The BMW driver should absolutely be held accountable for his actions.

So should the Toyota driver. Guess he got “lucky” that the other driver made a bigger mistake than he did so he gets “absolved”.

Sounds like this event is personal to you.

I just hate when people act irrationally. Like completely absolving the 4Runner for his error.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people accusing the Toyota driver are probably people who speed excessively and don’t want to change their ways.

This is my theory. They're not family/friends. They are individuals trying to justify that speeding (and in particular excessive speeding) are ok, and that it is the fault of OTHERS that don't defer to their speed if something goes wrong.

No one said the BMW driver isn’t at fault.