What’s going on with the two bills?
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They HAVE been compromising. They agreed to several of Manchin's demands, they also agreed to several Republican demands. Problem is, none of them are actually making demands in good faith. |
Anonymous
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Love (not!) these people who regard children as a luxury good people not in UMC are not "entitled" to (but you still want your uber drivers and your house cleaners and your plumbers and drywall installers and IKEA assemblers and WF workers).
Anyone hear the recent Fresh Air interview about what a mess childcare is in the US--a broken industry and classic example of market failure? I've read some criticisms that the child care and EC ed provisions could create a big mess. Places that provided more preschool access run into the problem that older preschoolers help subsidize the costs of infant care by daycares (because the infant staff to child ratio has to be higher) and they lose infant care resources, as an example. Federal money that is not block grant could run church based centers out of business apparently. States that refused to expand Medicaid would likely refuse this. But, we provided child care during WWII so women could build airplanes and bombs. The question should not be, are you sneering at libs or sneering at GOP. The fact is child care is a public need and the markets aren't taking care of it. The question should be how should this be approached. The answer to that q should not be Manchin telling his friends working and poor people are just going to buy drugs with the money. As a percentage of GDP, it would be a drop in the bucket. (Some economists have pointed out that only in the US do they talk in terms of 10 year costs for programs, with $ amounts that freak people out). |
Anonymous
The real problem is that they were trying to compromise around the one point that he said back in the summer was his line in the sand. He said he could not vote for anything over $1.5T and preferably lower than $1T or close to it. So far they have been playing a shell game on him, cutting here, adding there and keeping the total around $2T. So, they keep thinking that dangling a matchstick carrot in front of him will get him to budge, but he finally came out and said that they haven't been negotiating on anything close to his bottom line, cutting the package down in size. This is like the child who asked for a new car for Christmas when the family can afford a bike. They started by asking for a Lexus, then a new muscle car, then a compact car. Now they're down to asking for a fancy motorcycle. And they keep arguing that they have negotiated in good faith, but he won't take any compromises. Sorry, but when you start with a bottom line of "we can't spend more than $X after we had three huge pandemic relief bills and two major natural disaster relief bills and just passed a large infrastructure bill" and the other side says "but we need $Y" then I agree with Manchin. It's time to go home for the break. Maybe the time will get the Democrats to stop listening to the progressive wing and get this bill down to an affordable bill rather than a demand of wish list items that we can't afford right now. Cut the package down to an affordable amount or get nothing. It's pretty easy. |
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Serious question-
If they kept the SALT deduction to $10k and lowered the income limit for the CTC, my guess is the total cost of the bill is closer to Manchin’s affordability number. Why not compromise on that? I see Manchin’s counter offer says basically that. |
Anonymous
Umm no it doesn't. Manchin's counter-offer is $1.8B for subsidized ACA, 10 years fully paid for national Pre-K, and Climate. It does not include CTC at all. That's the sticker. White House should have accepted. |
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“This is an indictment of the senior leadership in the White House. The worst part is nobody will be held accountable for this. They don't understand the American people want results; they don't want drama and rhetoric,” the House Democrat said in a lengthy rant over the phone. “Everyone has been left high and dry. I can see everyone [vulnerable Democrats] fleeing for the hills at this point,” abandoning Biden and running their own races. “It started with Afghanistan. Nobody was held accountable for the chaos that the Afghanistan withdrawal constituted. It allowed everyone to get a pass. It sent the message that the president will stick by you so do whatever you want,” the lawmaker continued. “I do think [Biden] needs to clean house if we have any chance of salvaging 2022. There have to be consequences,” the source added. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/586572-democrats-descend-into-finger-pointing-after-build-back-better |
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Oh you're cute. You think a $20 million line-item is going to get Manchin to reverse course? The rest of it is funded with an excise tax on the very corporations that causes the lung disease. He can get the Black Lung rider attached to any bipartisan bill he wants in 2022 - it'll get support on both sides of the aisle. |
Anonymous
Oh look, it’s Spanberger dishing to the press after she fought to decouple the bills, losing leverage over Manchin. Oopsee |
Anonymous
Why the heck do they keep calling it a “tax credit” when there is NO work requirement? Manchin is right, it’s insane. And it’s NOT A TAX CREDIT! |
Anonymous
Your first mistake is thinking that Manchin needs to compromise. He doesn’t. He doesn’t need to give in to anyones demands. He doesn’t owe you anything. And don’t repeat the same stupid threat about wanting to primary him. If Manchin wasn’t senator then it would be a republican. Just because one side asks for the moon doesn’t mean you need to “compromise” and meet in the middle. He was right to just say no. Hopefully the few other sane moderate democrats stand up and say no to the insanity as well. |
Anonymous
I've been saying this all along. Call it what it is..... a bribe. |