The White Lotus season 2

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Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

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Anonymous wrote:So Daphne’s children are from personal trainer, correct?

Either that, or she’s made the personal trainer up and she’s really staying for her children. They way she said “He’s such a cutie” sounded more like she was talking about a baby.

This. There could be a nice trainer, but she doesn't have it in her character to be a cheater. She is too honest and faithful. I don't doubt she wished she could just go bang others as revenge, but she can't because she needs love first and she values marriage and her own vows even if her husband doesn't. I think she is now seeing what a scumbag he is. They obviously have tons of chemistry and passion and he totally love bombed her at the start of their relationship. Even if she knew he was promiscuous, she likely thought he wouldn't be once married and I'm sure he said as much. She also thought a family would ground him.

She was trying to call the kids and obviously misses them, but she goes along with Cameron for fear of losing him because she wants an intact family.

Where...are you getting all this from?

Her expressions. Her statements. The scene of her so badly wanting to be with/call her kids. The way she talks about family/marriage. I think she is a fun person, but the 'cool girl thing' is an act. She visibly looked like she was going to throw up when Harper said to her 'something happened while we were gone'. She knew what that meant and she was gutted, but then tried to brush over it and suppress it and then made up the story about her trainer. Showing the photo of her kids was also telling.

I think both Daphne and Cameron not so simple and one dimensional as many think.

I agree with you on Daphne but I think Cameron is basically what he appears to be. We might learn some mitigating factor at some point, but it's not going to change the underlying facts -- he's both arrogant and insecure and channels that into classic toxic masculinity in the form of rampant cheating, aggressive work behavior, and being very competitive with other men. Also has anger issues.

I really don't think we're going to find anything out about him that changes those facts. Even if it turns out he's an abuse survivor or something. That might help explain some of why he is how he is, but it doesn't change how he is. I think what you see is what you get with Cameron.

Ethan, on the other hand, is a black box. I think we're going to get some serious revelations about him.

I find Daphne fascinating and she is anything but one dimensional. If she hadn't been alive on the beach in the opener I would have predicted she'd be murdered by Cameron after this last episode.

It seems like we are going to get some insight into Ethan based on the previews. The marriage is strained (no surprise) and Ethan is insisting he loves Harper while she's disgusted by the conversation. This episode had so many twists and turns that Harper hasn't really been discussed, but she was on fire this episode. I still haven't figured out why the showrunners style her as a version of Joan Crawford though.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish Aubrey Day’s character would just tell Ethan she found the condom wrapper and let him explain. He is such a good guy and he is going to pay for his “ friend’s” sins.

I find it interesting that everyone thinks Ethan is "such a good guy" simply because he's not Cameron. I find Ethan to be kind of a dick, TBH. He constantly putting Harper down with her gossiping, most of which is harmless and the sort of thing every married couple would do. He won't sleep with her and is kind of rude about that. He discusses fairly intimate details of their sex life with people she doesn't like and his college roommate who he is at best on the fence about. He doesn't sleep with Mia, but that's not exactly a badge of honor there.

I’m married to an Ethan. He rarely sleeps with me and uses sex to control me. It’s a mind F%ck. I cringe watching the show because it has made me resentful and just like Harper.

And he is always picking on people, constantly looking for 0.01% imperfections in their spouse.
Watching this show makes me cry a little.

Ethan doesn’t pick on people.

When he ask his wife “can you at least try” and at the Champaign scene, he is definitely picking on her.
She is a dud but there are way better ways to handle that. I recognize a lot of pattern - the man doesn’t want to validate wife’s good traits, she gets insecure and acts out to seek attention, which in turn pushes him further.

I disagree. I don’t think Harper is a dud. She was spot on about Cameron and daphne and doesn’t see why she should have to hang out with them. Deep down it doesn’t even seem like Ethan likes Cameron.

So from my real experience, my Ethan has an aggressive type A “friend” who invites my Ethan to hang out and then talk shit about me.
My Ethan would get upset with me.
Later on he will regret and hate his Cameron.
But next time his Cameron ask him to go out he goes, rinse and repeat.
I gotta say mark white is a genius.

I had a similar experience with an ex. Passive-aggressive Beta men are the worst. I despise Ethan.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

Interesting in that, so far, that is the only time she is alone. She is always with her husband or Harper.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

Interesting in that, so far, that is the only time she is alone. She is always with her husband or Harper.

Yes. That whole scene is interesting. She's there with her huge bag and her aperol, vacant chair next to her as if she's expecting her husband and then she makes this weird little speech, which is out introduction into her character. It's all a little "off," IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

Interesting in that, so far, that is the only time she is alone. She is always with her husband or Harper.

Yes. That whole scene is interesting. She's there with her huge bag and her aperol, vacant chair next to her as if she's expecting her husband and then she makes this weird little speech, which is out introduction into her character. It's all a little "off," IMO.

I think she's the mastermind and poisons him and/or lets him drown. Almost every scene she has, she references killing - even this one she says that they will have to drag you out of here. It would be quite the Survivor twist if seemingly the least intelligent member of the group ends up "winning it all".

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Do you think the writers have actual answers to all of this? Not that necessarily we'll get them....but for something like Daphne's trainer comment / kid pic. Do they make a specific story for it like "you don't actually sleep with your trainer, but you have one, and you wanted to sleep with him but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you show your kids because you're trying to get harper to not sleep with your hubby"

or is it more vague like "daphne tells this story but acts it in a way that implies its not quite true and shows a pic of her kids to remind viewers she has a family and things aren't care free"

(those are both made up obviously...just examples of levels they could be thinking it through)

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

Interesting in that, so far, that is the only time she is alone. She is always with her husband or Harper.

Yes. That whole scene is interesting. She's there with her huge bag and her aperol, vacant chair next to her as if she's expecting her husband and then she makes this weird little speech, which is out introduction into her character. It's all a little "off," IMO.

I think she's the mastermind and poisons him and/or lets him drown. Almost every scene she has, she references killing - even this one she says that they will have to drag you out of here. It would be quite the Survivor twist if seemingly the least intelligent member of the group ends up "winning it all".

I like this theory!

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Anonymous wrote:Didn’t Daphne run into Cameron’s arms after discovering the body in Ep1?

I need to rewatch but I don’t think Cam dies.

My money’s on Grandpa, Greg, and a gay guy to die.

No - if you re-watch that scene, there's a guy to the right of the two women Daphne talks to - he's dark haired, wearing sunglasses, and has a short beard, in swim trunks. When she starts running out of the water - look in the background. You see him get up from his chair. I am almost 100% sure it's him that catches her on the beach. Then the camera kind of moves through the crowd. I didn't see any of the known cast in the crowd.

Interesting in that, so far, that is the only time she is alone. She is always with her husband or Harper.

Yes. That whole scene is interesting. She's there with her huge bag and her aperol, vacant chair next to her as if she's expecting her husband and then she makes this weird little speech, which is out introduction into her character. It's all a little "off," IMO.

I think she's the mastermind and poisons him and/or lets him drown. Almost every scene she has, she references killing - even this one she says that they will have to drag you out of here. It would be quite the Survivor twist if seemingly the least intelligent member of the group ends up "winning it all".

I like this theory!

DP, but this also fits with what I said earlier about her earlier comments to him, that she would never emasculate him like they said Harper did to Ethan -- but that she totally could if she wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:So Daphne’s children are from personal trainer, correct?

That's my guess.

Why do you think so? I thought that whole exchange was so strange. Like there is no personal trainer?

She made a comment about the trainer's blue eyes and then the kid in the pic had blue eyes.

I thought it meant she deals with the husband’s crap for her kids.

That's not how I took that at all. I took that exchange as communicating a few things - 1) Daphne is really hurt by Cameron's cheating but can't stop him and doesn't want a divorce; 2) she doesn't want to confront it or to discuss it with Harper; 3) a demonstration that she has her own secrets/own ways of getting even.

In the interview with the actors afterwards Theo and Megan both agreed that Cameron loves Daphne and is in fact protective of the relationship even is he is a cheating jerk.

Very much so. You see that when they are together the night she gets back in bed. I think his love for her is very genuine and, yet, he feels entitled to cheat. He thinks it has absolutely no bearing on his love for Daphne or their marriage because these girls mean absolutely nothing to him. He still enjoys sex with his wife, a lot on this vacation.

He is so dysfunctional, raised in a home and in a career with toxic masculinity that what he is doing is 'normal' to him. If you don't openly disparage your wife and only speak very highly of her and do nice things for her, then you aren't being disrespectful or a bad husband (no matter what extracurriculars he gets off on). He is openly disgusted and rude to the hooker after he got what he wanted and is protective of his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think the writers have actual answers to all of this? Not that necessarily we'll get them....but for something like Daphne's trainer comment / kid pic. Do they make a specific story for it like "you don't actually sleep with your trainer, but you have one, and you wanted to sleep with him but couldn't bring yourself to do it, and you show your kids because you're trying to get harper to not sleep with your hubby"

or is it more vague like "daphne tells this story but acts it in a way that implies its not quite true and shows a pic of her kids to remind viewers she has a family and things aren't care free"

(those are both made up obviously...just examples of levels they could be thinking it through)

Well, I'm the PP who thinks Daphne masterminds this and I don't think that the kids are a reminder to Harper that they're a family nor a guilt trip to not sleep with Cameron. I think it's part of her ploy to make it seem like she doesn't care about Cameron's antics because she also has a "trainer" when of course she cares and is orchestrating leaving Sicily alone. Like most moms her phone is full of kid pics and that's just where she landed but the point of the story is moreso to imply that she's unphased by it all but then the twist is that he doesn't exist and she just shows a random kid pic. If she were going to pull the we're a happy family card, then she would pull tears and other more obvious overtures to pull at Harper's cold heart. This is a ploy to make her seem cool when all along she's not going to let him get away with it.

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Anonymous wrote:So Daphne’s children are from personal trainer, correct?

That's my guess.

Why do you think so? I thought that whole exchange was so strange. Like there is no personal trainer?

She made a comment about the trainer's blue eyes and then the kid in the pic had blue eyes.

I thought it meant she deals with the husband’s crap for her kids.

That's not how I took that at all. I took that exchange as communicating a few things - 1) Daphne is really hurt by Cameron's cheating but can't stop him and doesn't want a divorce; 2) she doesn't want to confront it or to discuss it with Harper; 3) a demonstration that she has her own secrets/own ways of getting even.

In the interview with the actors afterwards Theo and Megan both agreed that Cameron loves Daphne and is in fact protective of the relationship even is he is a cheating jerk.

Very much so. You see that when they are together the night she gets back in bed. I think his love for her is very genuine and, yet, he feels entitled to cheat. He thinks it has absolutely no bearing on his love for Daphne or their marriage because these girls mean absolutely nothing to him. He still enjoys sex with his wife, a lot on this vacation.

He is so dysfunctional, raised in a home and in a career with toxic masculinity that what he is doing is 'normal' to him. If you don't openly disparage your wife and only speak very highly of her and do nice things for her, then you aren't being disrespectful or a bad husband (no matter what extracurriculars he gets off on). He is openly disgusted and rude to the hooker after he got what he wanted and is protective of his wife.

And this very much parallels the conversation with Grandpa and Dom. Grandpa is deluded that his cheating didn't bother his wife and that they had a great love story and he was a good husband. But, his son says he heard his mom cry herself to sleep often and she grew very bitter over all of his infidelities. Grandpa had the entitlement and the separation/compartmentalization that what he was doing didn't effect anyone, i.e,. he wasn't hurting anyone.

Daphne does not condone the infidelity and she isn't okay with it. Not one bit. She is trying to block it out and live in denial so was upset when Harper brought up that the guys did something when they were gone. Now she is forced to face it again.

I do think Daphne is much stronger than anyone gives her credit for, and also smarter. I can definitely see her wanting to just be rid of him completely because she doesn't want to be divorced, family is everything...it's much easier if he just dies. Easier to be a widow than to deal with the aftermath of divorce and splitting time with her kids or they having a step-mom in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Power dynamics in the Harper fourple.

Remember Daphne’s comment about women who marry men and then cut off their dicks. And saying she wouldn’t do that to Cameron. But also saying she could if she needed to.

Before Harper found out about the condom, Ethan had the power in their relationship. He told stories about her at the table with others that embarrassed her and she had to sit there and take it. Now that she found the condom and Ethan knows, she tells stories about his porn and he has to take it.

Ethan and Cameron — Ethan saying maybe Cameron had higher status than he did in college — but not now! And Ethan saying he was always smarter than Cameron. Ethan said some very mean but perceptive things to Cameron at the table — about how Cameron would always go after things/women he, Ethan, wanted. Is he being mean to Cameron because he can’t be mean to Harper? Is Cameron going after Harper because she is Ethan’s? Does Cameron want to be Ethan? Or just to sleep with him? (Talented Mr. Ripley)

I wonder if Daphne took Harper to Noto to restore the balance of power in her marriage to herself instead of Cameron. She was asking him for a shopping day and he was saying no, and being petulant. She may have thought that going off by herself would make him miss her and make him give in to her more. And notice that now he is booking wine tastings for them all to do together instead of more jet skiing with Ethan, so it kind of worked (though at a cost she might not like I guess).

I think there is something similar going on above with the shift in power between Ethan and Harper after she finds the wrapper.

I agree with the theory that Daphne will be responsible for killing Cameron somehow. And I think Harper will wind up with the upper hand between herself and Ethan, maybe having learned something from Daphne.

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Could she have gone to Noto to hire a hit man?