2022 Olympics

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Anonymous wrote:Man these games are dark. Drugging 15 year olds, nationalist bickering, athletes for sale to the highest bidder. It makes snowpiercer look cheery.

3 illegal drugs in her system which together make more endurance and stamina.
Now she’s saying her grandfathers meds contaminated whatever she takes.
What a mockery

Only one is illegal.

Nice to see the Russian authorities trying out legal drugs on their athletes

Let’s not be naive. If it’s legal, every country is exploiting the benefits.

True. But they know the banned ones and stay away from them.

This. Johnny and Tara were taking that as high level figure skaters at age of 11 or 12, they started drug testing and knew there were protocols and aware of what they can and can’t put in the body. When they were sick or even with a mild cold, their mother had to call a hot line to check what medications they were allowed to take, etc.

Weir did not even start skating until age 12.

Thanks. That’s totally the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Man these games are dark. Drugging 15 year olds, nationalist bickering, athletes for sale to the highest bidder. It makes snowpiercer look cheery.

3 illegal drugs in her system which together make more endurance and stamina.
Now she’s saying her grandfathers meds contaminated whatever she takes.
What a mockery

Only one is illegal.

Nice to see the Russian authorities trying out legal drugs on their athletes

Let’s not be naive. If it’s legal, every country is exploiting the benefits.

True. But they know the banned ones and stay away from them.

This. Johnny and Tara were taking that as high level figure skaters at age of 11 or 12, they started drug testing and knew there were protocols and aware of what they can and can’t put in the body. When they were sick or even with a mild cold, their mother had to call a hot line to check what medications they were allowed to take, etc.

Alysia Liu’s father said the same thing about her knowing by 12 or so what she could and couldn’t put in her body and how she even avoided cold medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:15 yos on prescription meds beyond birth control.

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

To be fair, mine is on adhd and depression meds

But not heart meds for old people

Does yours need an artificially strong heart to endure grueling practices?

It isn’t just about enduring practices, it’s about being able to do the hardest tricks in the back of the program in order to max points

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Anonymous wrote:well, the family is basically being told what to say by the Kremlin. This is how Russia works and we all know it. She knows full well she didn't take grandpa's pills - they are ALL lying.

But, I am so sad that she alone is going to take the fall when this was a team effort.

Be sad for the Japanese skaters, who are being denied the placements and moments they deserve because of Russian drugging.

I am very sad for the rest of the skaters, who know that they are in competition with cheaters (there is no way she is the only one in that club who was being drugged)

I don't know what should be done, but that coach and team doctor need to be banned at an absolute minimum.

I keep hoping she will withdraw (like the Russians did YEARS ago in gymnastics - claimed an illness so someone else could compete in her place)

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Anonymous wrote:Man these games are dark. Drugging 15 year olds, nationalist bickering, athletes for sale to the highest bidder. It makes snowpiercer look cheery.

3 illegal drugs in her system which together make more endurance and stamina.
Now she’s saying her grandfathers meds contaminated whatever she takes.
What a mockery

Only one is illegal.

Nice to see the Russian authorities trying out legal drugs on their athletes

Let’s not be naive. If it’s legal, every country is exploiting the benefits.

They were hoping the other two prescription drugs would mask the illegal one in the late December test.

L-carnitine is a supplement widely available OTC in the US. It is not a prescription drug.

The media has really sensationalized L-carnitine. Just scanning the Wikipedia page I see it's a supplement for people who don't eat enough meat or dairy, and that it's performance enhancing abilities aren't proven. Hypoxen is a total red flag though.

One of my kids has a metabolic disorder and is on prescription strength l-carnitine. I could absolutely see it helping with performance

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Anonymous wrote:well, the family is basically being told what to say by the Kremlin. This is how Russia works and we all know it. She knows full well she didn't take grandpa's pills - they are ALL lying.

But, I am so sad that she alone is going to take the fall when this was a team effort.

Be sad for the Japanese skaters, who are being denied the placements and moments they deserve because of Russian drugging.

Blame the IOC for letting the farce of the ROC compete in the first place

Like what is the proper response now? Are they going to ban ALL Russians now, unless they go the route of competing for a different country with dual citizenship? I’m just wondering how this is going to turn out now? In the Olympics and other international competitions.

Seriously Russia, I guess you can hold your own competition and dope up your athletes as much as you want now.

LOL if you ban Russian skaters, they will all show up next Olympics representing places like Uzbekistan and Lithuania, where they will be welcome with open arms.

Also it comes down to $$$ of course. No one wants to host the Olympics anymore because it’s expensive, running billions of dollars above the estimated budget. Every game in the last 50 years has gone over budget and IOC receives fewer bids with each games. I read Russia was considering to submit its bid to host 2036 Summer Olympics. No wonder IOC is reluctant to punish Russia properly.
It’s disgusting but I think money is one of the top reason why things never change.

These scandals have to be taking a financial toll as well, though. Ratings are way down for this Olympics which will ultimately impact the amount of money any network (American and others) will be willing to pay for the exclusive rights to broadcast the games. Not sure when NBC's current contract expires, but it'll be interesting to see the terms of the next one.

The ratings are down because people rightly don’t want to support the communists and don’t want to watch an olympic broadcast that acts as if Chinese genocide against the Uighur people doesn’t exist. The US government and other free countries also executed a diplomatic boycott against the Chinese.
Scandals have always been been part of the Olympics but people watched. Once these are over and the games return to countries not committing genocide they’ll be great to watch again!

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Anonymous wrote:Apropos Katia Gordeeva - and only because this is an entertainment forum - she’s probably the only woman in history who has married THREE different Olympic champions. Kudos!

Whoa- I had no idea she had moved on from ilia to David Pelletier!

I tell ya, once you’ve had an Olympic champion, no one else will do.

I just found this out a couple weeks ago. I watched the first episode of that peacock docuseries about the big mess in SLC (that I think Tara executive produced). I got interested in what had happened to all of them.

Jamie cheated on David with her partner, a hockey player, on a Canadian reality show. She is now married to the hockey player. No idea how David and Katia met or why she and Ilia broke up. So, so interesting

I thought David cheated first with Tessa Virtue, and then Jamie cheated with the hockey player.

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Anonymous wrote:Man these games are dark. Drugging 15 year olds, nationalist bickering, athletes for sale to the highest bidder. It makes snowpiercer look cheery.

3 illegal drugs in her system which together make more endurance and stamina.
Now she’s saying her grandfathers meds contaminated whatever she takes.
What a mockery

Only one is illegal.

Nice to see the Russian authorities trying out legal drugs on their athletes

Let’s not be naive. If it’s legal, every country is exploiting the benefits.

True. But they know the banned ones and stay away from them.

This. Johnny and Tara were taking that as high level figure skaters at age of 11 or 12, they started drug testing and knew there were protocols and aware of what they can and can’t put in the body. When they were sick or even with a mild cold, their mother had to call a hot line to check what medications they were allowed to take, etc.

It’s crazy that athletes are worried about the cold meds but can take ADHD stimulants as they please. It does not make sense.

That said, Kamila was thrown under the bus. They should have kept her home and allowed the “clean” athletes to compete.

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Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?

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Anonymous wrote:Apropos Katia Gordeeva - and only because this is an entertainment forum - she’s probably the only woman in history who has married THREE different Olympic champions. Kudos!

Whoa- I had no idea she had moved on from ilia to David Pelletier!

I tell ya, once you’ve had an Olympic champion, no one else will do.

I just found this out a couple weeks ago. I watched the first episode of that peacock docuseries about the big mess in SLC (that I think Tara executive produced). I got interested in what had happened to all of them.

Jamie cheated on David with her partner, a hockey player, on a Canadian reality show. She is now married to the hockey player. No idea how David and Katia met or why she and Ilia broke up. So, so interesting

I thought David cheated first with Tessa Virtue, and then Jamie cheated with the hockey player.

Nooo! I won't accept Tessa Virtue being with anyone other than Scott Moir

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https://www.marijuanamoment.net/shacarri-richardson-suspended-over-marijuana-suggests-racist-double-standard-after-olympics-lets-russian-skater-compete-amid-doping-scandal/

Anyone bring this up yet?
An American athlete was kicked out of competition immediately. No questions.
The skating experts are right, a positive test should mean no more competition.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.marijuanamoment.net/shacarri-richardson-suspended-over-marijuana-suggests-racist-double-standard-after-olympics-lets-russian-skater-compete-amid-doping-scandal/

Anyone bring this up yet?
An American athlete was kicked out of competition immediately. No questions.
The skating experts are right, a positive test should mean no more competition.

That is the way it is supposed to work, but … the Russians.

Richardson used marijuana. It is still on the list of banned substances for athletes. She knew that and she messed up. I sympathize with her circumstances and it is dumb that marijuana remains on these lists, but the rules are the rules.

The Russians suspended KV…then almost immediately lifted the suspension. The IOC and the WADA fought to reinstate her suspension-even the Olympics wanted her gone. Based on the ruling of that arbitration court, it appears the biggest sticking point is that she is under 16. If she were a few months older, I’m pretty sure she would be out.

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Anonymous wrote:well, the family is basically being told what to say by the Kremlin. This is how Russia works and we all know it. She knows full well she didn't take grandpa's pills - they are ALL lying.

But, I am so sad that she alone is going to take the fall when this was a team effort.

Be sad for the Japanese skaters, who are being denied the placements and moments they deserve because of Russian drugging.

Blame the IOC for letting the farce of the ROC compete in the first place

Like what is the proper response now? Are they going to ban ALL Russians now, unless they go the route of competing for a different country with dual citizenship? I’m just wondering how this is going to turn out now? In the Olympics and other international competitions.

Seriously Russia, I guess you can hold your own competition and dope up your athletes as much as you want now.

LOL if you ban Russian skaters, they will all show up next Olympics representing places like Uzbekistan and Lithuania, where they will be welcome with open arms.

Or Ukraine after the invasion and take over.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?

There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question for those with more medical/figure skating expertise than me...why did the Russian figure skater even need to dope? She seems on a completely different level than the other skaters, plus the illegal medicine seems mild (compared to others on the list). Does it make that much of a difference?

There’s no way of knowing how she would be performing if she were clean. Maybe without the help of the heart meds, she would’ve burned out in practice months ago when the world wasn’t watching. That coach has figured out a highly successful system to train little girls and is figuring out just how to push the limits of what an 15-17 year old is capable of before their bodies mature into women.

I’d love to see what they were capable of of they were all clean, but I highly doubt any of her athletes are now.

Actually, most of these girls are burning out from injuries at a young age, probably because they are excessively training and doing all these quads. If the ability to train harder/longer is helped by doping, it’s really a double edged sword because the rest of their body can’t handle it.

As I sort of suspected would happen, the situation got to Valieva. Finished off the podium, which is probably for the best.