Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:If Lance and Tyler were this flaming, furry bizarre counterculture couple, they would have left Utah.

+1 This is what I said as soon as Robinson was identified. If he were actually a lefty he would have take his great ACT score and 4.0 GPA and gone anywhere else. For free. Now people are trying to convince us that his one semester at Utah State of all places radicalized him. Come the f*** on.

The shooter went to USU for one semester 3 years ago. He wasn't there long enough to get "indoctrinated" (ie educated and exposed to people of different backgrounds and cultures)

I read that his single semester was online. He spent a few months logging into blackboard, that’s it.

That seems likely given COVID. Lots of kids dropped out then, even ones who would have been successful otherwise. The strong ones got back on track. Many others didn't.

We are seeing the results of the seeds that were planted during Covid. Whatever content people took in when we are all locked in the house has now fruited into a lot of the intense beliefs and online behaviors we see now. We were all chronically online that year, and everyone didn’t come out the same on the other side.

That’s when Tyler and Lance started hacking into domestic and foreign govt agencies probably.

When were they hired by the foreign governments? Because there's literally zero connection between hacking into an agency's computer and being hired by them, usually.

They could have been hired after freshman year.

No they worked for the CIA or were independent. They weren’t assisting foreign governments. God…

Why would the CIA have hired them? That is also crazy talk. They don't seem very stable. Or discreet.

He is a brilliant hacker, he can hack into anything he wants.

But cyber operations is not big at CIA. It’s another agency.

Ok NSA whatever. He could have been an independent contractor.

You watch too many movies.

This! Your understanding of how cyber operations works, how contractors and the government works is pure fiction.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

Well unless you put out a tik tok talking about how happy you are that he died, I wouldn't worry. The people who are losing their jobs are gleefully celebrating murder. I think we can all agree that murder is a tragedy that shouldn't be celebrated or laughed about.

People were showing happiness when the liberal Supreme Court justices died.

They were happy when George Floyd died.

And that is their right. Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of speech - sure. But don't get upset when acting like an evil nutcase gets you ostracized - socially and professionally.

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This is an odd takeaway. No one I know thinks he deserves to die. But there were other people who died that day, like those shot in Colorado, who we will mourn more.

There’s a whole website calling a database full of people “murderers” and most of them simply posted his views online.

You mean the website run by the gay trans pro-maga darling of the GOP?

https://www.advocate.com/politics/who-is-scott-presler

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The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

Ahh sure, anonymous, unnamed "relatives" and we have no way of independently verifying any of this.

Grandma stated early on that the family was Maga. Grandmas never wrong.

My grandma wouldn't eat at restaurants that hired blacks. Was she right?

False equivalency. She was racist unless she shot a black person in a restaurant.

The family are gunners and religious extremists. They nourished their kids on guns and bible. Photos of their kids holding guns bigger than their bodies. God knows how many creatures were killed for sport in that family. This is a fact. And they’ll live in purgatory for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:If Lance and Tyler were this flaming, furry bizarre counterculture couple, they would have left Utah.

+1 This is what I said as soon as Robinson was identified. If he were actually a lefty he would have take his great ACT score and 4.0 GPA and gone anywhere else. For free. Now people are trying to convince us that his one semester at Utah State of all places radicalized him. Come the f*** on.

The shooter went to USU for one semester 3 years ago. He wasn't there long enough to get "indoctrinated" (ie educated and exposed to people of different backgrounds and cultures)

I read that his single semester was online. He spent a few months logging into blackboard, that’s it.

That seems likely given COVID. Lots of kids dropped out then, even ones who would have been successful otherwise. The strong ones got back on track. Many others didn't.

We are seeing the results of the seeds that were planted during Covid. Whatever content people took in when we are all locked in the house has now fruited into a lot of the intense beliefs and online behaviors we see now. We were all chronically online that year, and everyone didn’t come out the same on the other side.

That’s when Tyler and Lance started hacking into domestic and foreign govt agencies probably.

When were they hired by the foreign governments? Because there's literally zero connection between hacking into an agency's computer and being hired by them, usually.

They could have been hired after freshman year.

No they worked for the CIA or were independent. They weren’t assisting foreign governments. God…

Why would the CIA have hired them? That is also crazy talk. They don't seem very stable. Or discreet.

He is a brilliant hacker, he can hack into anything he wants.

But cyber operations is not big at CIA. It’s another agency.

Ok NSA whatever. He could have been an independent contractor.

You watch too many movies.

This! Your understanding of how cyber operations works, how contractors and the government works is pure fiction.

He could have been an independent contractor or hired by CIA/NSA. Why not? This is implausible?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

Well unless you put out a tik tok talking about how happy you are that he died, I wouldn't worry. The people who are losing their jobs are gleefully celebrating murder. I think we can all agree that murder is a tragedy that shouldn't be celebrated or laughed about.

People were showing happiness when the liberal Supreme Court justices died.

They were happy when George Floyd died.

And that is their right. Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of speech - sure. But don't get upset when acting like an evil nutcase gets you ostracized - socially and professionally.

This exact reasoning could be used to justify people’s feelings about Kirk.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

Well unless you put out a tik tok talking about how happy you are that he died, I wouldn't worry. The people who are losing their jobs are gleefully celebrating murder. I think we can all agree that murder is a tragedy that shouldn't be celebrated or laughed about.

People were showing happiness when the liberal Supreme Court justices died.

They were happy when George Floyd died.

And that is their right. Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of speech - sure. But don't get upset when acting like an evil nutcase gets you ostracized - socially and professionally.

Please stop doxxing everyone who doesn't act like Charlie Kirk was the second coming. You are explicitly promoting political violence. People are getting death threats. People who had literally nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's death and are not and never have celebrated it.

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We knew right wing extremism was a problem. But the party Charlie supported ignored it.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/years-ago-officials-rejected-warning-rise-wing-militias/story?id=82098720

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This is an odd takeaway. No one I know thinks he deserves to die. But there were other people who died that day, like those shot in Colorado, who we will mourn more.

There’s a whole website calling a database full of people “murderers” and most of them simply posted his views online.

You mean the website run by the gay trans pro-maga darling of the GOP?

https://www.advocate.com/politics/who-is-scott-presler

Do you think this is a gotcha? It's not. The fact that he's gay doesn't change the fact that MAGA is raring to have a witch hunt for people having a rational reaction to the death of someone who hated most Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

like this Canadian journalist

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/09/15/Dangerous-Targeting-Canadian-Journalist/Canadian journalist Rachel Gilmore took to social media to share insights based on years of reporting, writing that she was concerned some fans of Kirk on the far right who are “aching for more violence, could turn this into an even more radicalizing moment. Will they now believe their fears have been proven right and they have a right to ‘retaliate,’ no matter who was behind the actual shooting?”

Conservative MP Andrew Scheer swiftly reposted Gilmore’s comments, saying she was “twisted” and had “so much hate in her.” Other Canadian Conservatives also weighed in or reposted Scheer’s comment, while a screenshot of another post Gilmore made was circulated by right-wing influencers.

Hours later, Gilmore’s name was the first to appear on a website called “Expose Charlie’s Murderers,” part of an effort by right-wing figures to identify people they viewed as having celebrated Kirk’s killing. In many cases, MAGA supporters have called for those people to lose their jobs.

Gilmore then received death and rape threats, including threats that say, “We know where you live.”

As the U.S. tech magazine Wired reported, Gilmore’s initial analysis was accurate: in the hours following the shooting, high-profile figures in the MAGA movement, as well as far-right extremists, posted calls for war or civil war, to punish Democrats for “terrorism,” named “the left” as “the party of murder” and called to restart far-right militias.

This is the truly scary part. Ethical journalists are being silenced for doing their jobs.

Meh. It could be worse. They could get shot in the neck.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

like this Canadian journalist

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/09/15/Dangerous-Targeting-Canadian-Journalist/Canadian journalist Rachel Gilmore took to social media to share insights based on years of reporting, writing that she was concerned some fans of Kirk on the far right who are “aching for more violence, could turn this into an even more radicalizing moment. Will they now believe their fears have been proven right and they have a right to ‘retaliate,’ no matter who was behind the actual shooting?”

Conservative MP Andrew Scheer swiftly reposted Gilmore’s comments, saying she was “twisted” and had “so much hate in her.” Other Canadian Conservatives also weighed in or reposted Scheer’s comment, while a screenshot of another post Gilmore made was circulated by right-wing influencers.

Hours later, Gilmore’s name was the first to appear on a website called “Expose Charlie’s Murderers,” part of an effort by right-wing figures to identify people they viewed as having celebrated Kirk’s killing. In many cases, MAGA supporters have called for those people to lose their jobs.

Gilmore then received death and rape threats, including threats that say, “We know where you live.”

As the U.S. tech magazine Wired reported, Gilmore’s initial analysis was accurate: in the hours following the shooting, high-profile figures in the MAGA movement, as well as far-right extremists, posted calls for war or civil war, to punish Democrats for “terrorism,” named “the left” as “the party of murder” and called to restart far-right militias.

This is the truly scary part. Ethical journalists are being silenced for doing their jobs.

Meh. It could be worse. They could get shot in the neck.

Freedom of speech for me but not for thee
- MAGA

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Nuance is lost on many people. They don’t have the patience or reading comprehension for it. They read and respond to posts based on their own emotions, without processing others’ actual words or intent. I know I’m guilty of having done it before when I’ve been heated. But then again, I’m not shooting people or trying to get people fired because I don’t like their opinions.

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The relatives are on record now saying the partner hated Christians and conservatives, and that Tyler also had those beliefs now. When are you all going to stop denying facts?

Ahh sure, anonymous, unnamed "relatives" and we have no way of independently verifying any of this.

Grandma stated early on that the family was Maga. Grandmas never wrong.

My grandma wouldn't eat at restaurants that hired blacks. Was she right?

False equivalency. She was racist unless she shot a black person in a restaurant.

The family are gunners and religious extremists. They nourished their kids on guns and bible. Photos of their kids holding guns bigger than their bodies. God knows how many creatures were killed for sport in that family. This is a fact. And they’ll live in purgatory for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.

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I fear for his life. Dead men tell no tales.

Right on cue

He's being seen by psychiatrist Wolly Jest to make sure he gets the best treatment and nothing happens to him before we get a clear and rational explanation.

Rational is subjective. To Trump and the right, the only rational explanation is it was carried lut by the left. They just can't deal with the possibility that it was their own who killed Kirk.

Gov Cox (not exactly Mr MAGA) who is leading the investigation said the killer was indoctrinated online by leftist ideology on every Sunday show. How was he one of their own?

I just read an article that investigators are pointing to gaming and the dark internet subculture as the source of that indoctrination. Even Cox recently made that reference. It doesn’t seem unlikely that they misunderstood the nature of the radicalization early on by thinking in conventional terms (investigators probably understood). Hopefully the poster who was celebrating yesterday about wasting “350 pages” on the topic sticks around.

The governor cited Reddit as an example of the deep, dark internet. He has no idea what he’s talking about.

I get where you're coming from, but if you go full circle, Reddit is like a lounge for the freaks that live online. It isn't where they discuss assassination plots, but it is most definitely where they go to circle jerk and echo chamber. Spend any time on the DC sub and you'll quickly see you aren't one of the cool kids unless you drink the kool aid of bike lanes, mass transit, all things gay and black and on and on with all the predictables.

LOL, equating a more positive and sustainable urban built environment with the dark corners of reddit and discord.

Way to miss the point.

Nah, not missing the point. You are willfully trying to equate Nick Fuentes with "leftist" urban aims.

Way to miss the point again. If you think Tyler didn't have an active Reddit account, you are the moron, not Cox.

DP. What does that have to do with anything?

Try and keep up. Someone upstream mocked Cox's reference to Reddit. I was explaining how Reddit may not be the 'dark, deep' internet, but it most certainly is a place frequented by those that do use the deep dark internet.

That was me, the one who mocked Cox’s reference to Reddit, and I think your point is silly. People who use the “deep dark internet” also frequent the bathroom and the grocery store. Cox just sounds out of touch, like he really has no idea what goes on online.

Jesus man. You just keep digging in deeper. It's fine you don't get it or want to admit it, but if you really want to state that people like radicalized 22 year old queers don't use Reddit, expect to be called out.

DP and you are the one digging in. The PP has completely reasonable responses and you won't be happy until they self flagellate? Get over yourself and let it go.

No one belives you are a DP

I am. You don’t like being called out for being a jerk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the legacy of Charlie Kirk will be "sure, disagree with me, but if you do you'll lose your job"

Celebrating an innocent man being murdered isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's disgusting and we should be doing better. These lunatics losing their jobs is a GOOD thing for society.

The pastor at Alfred Street Baptist wasn't celebrating his death at all. Yet according to a PP, he now has a target on his back.

According to a lot of people anyone that doesn't put Charlie Kirk on a pedestal is "celebrating his death". No, I don't care that he died and it certainly doesn't make me happy. But he was horrible. Unfortunately there are many more like him.

like this Canadian journalist

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/09/15/Dangerous-Targeting-Canadian-Journalist/Canadian journalist Rachel Gilmore took to social media to share insights based on years of reporting, writing that she was concerned some fans of Kirk on the far right who are “aching for more violence, could turn this into an even more radicalizing moment. Will they now believe their fears have been proven right and they have a right to ‘retaliate,’ no matter who was behind the actual shooting?”

Conservative MP Andrew Scheer swiftly reposted Gilmore’s comments, saying she was “twisted” and had “so much hate in her.” Other Canadian Conservatives also weighed in or reposted Scheer’s comment, while a screenshot of another post Gilmore made was circulated by right-wing influencers.

Hours later, Gilmore’s name was the first to appear on a website called “Expose Charlie’s Murderers,” part of an effort by right-wing figures to identify people they viewed as having celebrated Kirk’s killing. In many cases, MAGA supporters have called for those people to lose their jobs.

Gilmore then received death and rape threats, including threats that say, “We know where you live.”

As the U.S. tech magazine Wired reported, Gilmore’s initial analysis was accurate: in the hours following the shooting, high-profile figures in the MAGA movement, as well as far-right extremists, posted calls for war or civil war, to punish Democrats for “terrorism,” named “the left” as “the party of murder” and called to restart far-right militias.

This is the truly scary part. Ethical journalists are being silenced for doing their jobs.

Meh. It could be worse. They could get shot in the neck.

That lady journalist doesn't deserve death threats. Her statements are full of lies but as long as she's just writing her glorified opinion piece, she's within her right.
If they identify the people that sent her the alleged death threats, of course those people should be prosecuted.

But again, this is entirely different. People cheering on a murder of an innocent and doing so in a public format should accept the social and professional consequences to their own behavior. This shouldn't be political. It works both ways!