Senate Democrats sending secret letter about Kavanaugh to FBI

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

Couldn't agree more. I have no patience with "anonymous" anyone.
- a woman

...say the anonymous posters. If you have so little patience for anonymity, then why don't you all create accounts and identify yourselves?

Hypocrites have no credibility.

I haven't accused anyone of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah. I kind of ran with this crowd, am around the same age, and went to one of the big 3 in the DC area. I believe it.

I've seen this exact scenario involved occur in this crowd (both in high school, college, law school, and working in DC as a young attorney) and I'm not shocked this happened (not am I shocked they got a pile of women to deny it because protecting status is way, way more important than protecting people -- See the Andover scandal). I've pulled girlfriends out of situations exactly described by this woman. The loud music is the biggest detail that gives me chills.

I think the thing I find the most compelling is that the woman reported spending years getting mental health treatment to work through this trauma. She probably has those receipts. People don't spend years in therapy talking about being raped and try to heal privately if there isn't a legitimate trauma there. If she was going to pull a stunt, Judge K was running around and previously confirmed for years. There's probably a reason why she brought this out now.

I also think Judge K disclosed this and she was probably contacted during the FBI background check. My guess is that is how this whole thing blew up. The woman in the letter probably felt like she needed to tell her story before someone else did. I imagine the GOP knew as well and got the framework to get those signatures because a woman I know on that list (spilling tea) was contacted quite a bit ago. My friend hasn't come out yet, but she's considering it. She's trying to weigh the professional/personal damage from getting involved.

+1 to the letter. I know people on this list, and they were asked to sign on as a "character witness," but knew nothing of the potential allegations. It was a bait and switch.

Yikes. I hope they make that public.

Original PP. The woman I know was in the same exact position. That's why she's not happy about her name being involved. But she's very, very reluctant because people she knows have talked about how the woman in the letter is going to be destroyed when this is over if anyone leaks her name. The woman I know doesn't want to be pulled into that circus, particularly since they have kids in one of these elite privates, her DH works in DC and her club and community are involved.

My guess is she doesn't say anything. The only reason I knew was that she mentioned the letter to me well before the hearings. She was actually excited to support him, fwiw until she realized her name was being used in this context.

Do you write fiction for a living? That's some tall tale you're spinning! Give it a rest - multiple news sources have reported that these women organized the signatures in ONE day - right after the letter was made public.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/brett-kavanaugh-allegations-women-letter-chuck-grassley
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860488/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-georgetown-prep-defense

Also, it's remarkable that you're more suspicious of a letter from ACTUAL PEOPLE in support of Kavanaugh, than an ANONYMOUS accusation from "someone" who refuses to come forward. Very telling indeed.

Yes - it is quite remarkable.

The GOP knows the woman's name. If she's so unreliable you'd think they would've leaked it by now. Problem is she's a super-impressive person who has receipts. Of course Anita Hill was too and we know how that went.

Citation for this claim?

Feinstein gave the woman's letter to the FBI, who then passed it on to the White House for Kavanaugh's background file. If the woman were a loser don't you think Trump would be tweeting about it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/feinstein-says-she-referred-letter-concerning-kavanaugh-to-federal-investigators/2018/09/13/d99cfb1c-b775-11e8-a7b5-adaaa5b2a57f_story.html?utm_term=.006d407cfc8b

Yeah. I figured you had made up that claim.
Feinstein redacted the name before passing it to the FBI.

"The accuser's name was redacted before Feinstein forwarded it to the FBI.”

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/politics/kavanaugh-letter-assault-supreme-court/index.html

The Republicans know who it is. I know who it is and I didn't even go to school with her.

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Anonymous wrote:My phone's blowing up. Why did Mark Judge delete his Youtube channel?

https://twitter.com/search?q=mark%20judge%20youtube&src=typd

Because it was homemade videos of young women, some who looked <18, dressed in midriff baring cutoffs and bikinis. The couple of videos I watched were the camera slowly panning up from the pelvic area to their face so we could watch them seductively eat an oyster.

Not the guy Bart, I mean Brett, wants as his alibi witness.

I suspect girls will come out of the woodwork re Judge. And then Kavanaugh.

You can get the gist of Mark Judge's videos here - https://twitter.com/TheDiscomfiture/status/1041055221684862978

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The Republicans know who it is. I know who it is and I didn't even go to school with her.

Is it someone that a run of the mill citizen would have heard of?

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that, as a judge, Kavanaugh is trying to deny abortions to teenagers, yet when he was a teenager, he was trying to force them to have an unwanted pregnancy.

How does it feel to be such a bald-faced liar?

Nothing I said was a lie.

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The Republicans know who it is. I know who it is and I didn't even go to school with her.

Is it someone that a run of the mill citizen would have heard of?

Absolutely not. but everyone in the DC Catholic school scene does and it doesn't matter that she's not a bold faced name. Her friends will corroborate. I'm sure this is all going to drop on Monday.

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I am guessing this PP and I probably know each other in real life.

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Anonymous wrote:My phone's blowing up. Why did Mark Judge delete his Youtube channel?

https://twitter.com/search?q=mark%20judge%20youtube&src=typd

Because it was homemade videos of young women, some who looked <18, dressed in midriff baring cutoffs and bikinis. The couple of videos I watched were the camera slowly panning up from the pelvic area to their face so we could watch them seductively eat an oyster.

Not the guy Bart, I mean Brett, wants as his alibi witness.

I suspect girls will come out of the woodwork re Judge. And then Kavanaugh.

You can get the gist of Mark Judge's videos here - https://twitter.com/TheDiscomfiture/status/1041055221684862978

Good lord. This guy is creepy and he wants to teach?

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

Sounds lime she's alrwady been hurt. And if she makes her identity known, she will get hurt even more. Look what happened to Roy Moore's victims. What hurts women is being sexually assaulted, then being told to shut up about it. Anyways, she's lawyered up, so she isn't completely anonymous.

No, what hurts women is not reporting assault immediately after it happens, so as to have the best possible opportunity to see justice served. What hurts women are those women who decide to stay silent for years (30+??) and then expect that no one will have any difficulty taking them seriously.

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The Republicans know who it is. I know who it is and I didn't even go to school with her.

Is it someone that a run of the mill citizen would have heard of?

Absolutely not. but everyone in the DC Catholic school scene does and it doesn't matter that she's not a bold faced name. Her friends will corroborate. I'm sure this is all going to drop on Monday.

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I am guessing this PP and I probably know each other in real life.

lol...I agree. And after 35 years I'm glad to see it all come to light. I was just telling my husband about one awful Beach Week in '82. Amazing how the most pious are actually the most depraved. How many of that crew cancelled plans tonight to scrub their hard drives....

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Exactly. Why would they bother? They probably receive anonymous tips all the time, most of which are hoaxes.

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Sounds lime she's alrwady been hurt. And if she makes her identity known, she will get hurt even more. Look what happened to Roy Moore's victims. What hurts women is being sexually assaulted, then being told to shut up about it. Anyways, she's lawyered up, so she isn't completely anonymous.


No, what hurts women is not reporting assault immediately after it happens, so as to have the best possible opportunity to see justice served. What hurts women are those women who decide to stay silent for years (30+??) and then expect that no one will have any difficulty taking them seriously.

You are comparing these accusations to those against Roy Moore?

Here's a clue: one of these things is not like the other.

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Anonymous wrote:More in the New Yorker. I don't think there is enough for anything to come of it, but it is pretty standard for boys who go to schools like Prep and Landon.

Not only do you think it’s okay to spread rumors that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted someone in high school but now you want to spread rumors that it’s standard behavior for boys at like Landon and Prep to sexually assault girls. Good grief, you are sick. And no, I’m not associated with either of those schools in any way. And I’m a moderate registered Democrat who feels like she’s lost her party.

It’s not rumors, it is allaegations. Perhaps you should actually read the article.

“Allegations” made by some anonymous person who curiously has come out of the woodwork after 30 years. And it doesn’t even sound like she is alleging something illegal. A boy tried to kiss me in high school!!!

Yep. I remember something similar happening to me at that age. I'm not about to dredge it up now, 30 yrs. later. This is beyond idiotic.

Maybe you should. It sounds like you still have some open psychological wounds that haven't healed.

There needs to be far more nuanced view here. A single incident from 30+ years ago should not destroy anyone's life, whether male or female. Being a Democrat, I am no fan of Judge K or of how the Republican Senate treated Garland. I no doubt would vote against him if I were a Senator. But everybody has gone too far here. There is a huge difference between what we think Judge K did today, what Bill did over decades, and then what Donald did over decades. Huge range of behaviors. I do not where the line is, but it is not at zero. Take the Duke lax scandal. As it turns out, the boys did not do what everybody was screaming about. But what is acknowledged is that a college lax team hired a stripper for a team party. That itself is inappropriate, though not illegal. The screaming around that scandal was overblown, and ignored what we know really happened.

Oh look, another one of those "I'm a Democrat but..." posts.

We all know you're a pro- Kavanaugh shill so just cut the crap. An attempted sexual assault is no comparison to hiring a stripper for a party - don't even try to justify it.

My DH went to one of these schools in the early 80's, and partied with this crowd when Prep was known to be the worst of the worst. We know a woman who was approached to sign the "good character" letter and refused. Kavanaugh was the quiet, smart guy who hung back, but watch out when he was drinking. At Yale he was part of drunk boys frat. I have no doubt that other women have stories about him.

And presumably you would have voted not only to impeach Bill but to convict Bill. Same with Franken? What about Ellison from MN? Same? BTW. I am local as well (Big 3) and knew/know many GP guys. And what about the "mean" girls who mistreat their classmates? How should that behavior affect their careers, 30 years later? What about the high school kid who "borrowed" something from a store in a single incident? Or forgot to pay for my drinks at a bar? Get real! Frankly, someone who has done nothing stupid or wrong over 30 plus years would worry me more.

DP. So you're not really a Democrat, you were just posing as one?

Sounds like just another Trump troll trying to pretend attempted sexual assault is the same thing as mean girl behavior or shoplifting.

Nope. I am a confirmed Democrat. Voted Democratic in over 95%, in all elections. Occasional $ contributor to Democrats. Federal and state. Most everybody who knows me knows that I am a Democrat. Worked on a few D campaigns. Sorry. My question is should Bill have been convicted in the Senate? What he did was far worse and lasted for decades. Should Franken have resigned? And what about Senator Kennedy? What we know NOW about Judge K is that he did something stupid in high school. There is no even allegations NOW that, unlike Bill or even Donald, this behavior was regular and ongoing, whether physical or verbal. I ask again what about the "mean" girl treatment that daughters of my friends have received around town. And I know that some of the girls that moved in these same circles with Judge K fell into that "mean" character. Sorry. I was in those circles. Attended 2 of Big 5.

I like how you use only Democrats as examples of misbehavior

Easy response. I assume Republicans have no standards. Not worthy discussing. If that tribe has revealed anything over the last 2 years, it is that they are rampant hypocrites, lacking any morals or principles. The Christian right are nothing more than hucksters. We Democrats do have standards, and we generally enforce them even against our own. All good. But we risk going too far. No one is perfect. Everyone has done something stupid or wrong in their lives. If not, then I would probably would not want them on the Court anyhow.

That you actually believe this is troubling in and of itself.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Exactly. Why would they bother? They probably receive anonymous tips all the time, most of which are hoaxes.

Yes but for those of us who knew all the parties involved, it ain't no hoax.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

+1 For all we know, she has a history of mental health issues. We have no idea. Anonymity won't work in this kind of situation.

Oh here we go again. If consensual sex doesn't work than she has mental problems. Whatever happened, she asked for this. Dress cut too low. Flirted and led him on. It's her fault. Every republican senator who refuses to investigate this is also guilty of rape.

Ah yes, you must be one of the crazies who immediately believed the UVA allegations and wanted the members of the accused frat tarred and feathered - without waiting for an investigation. You're the type of person who believes all men are rapists, period. So that would include your husband and sons, correct? Especially if an anonymous accuser says so.

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And you know this, how? Because there's a piece of paper - unsigned - that says so? Is it any wonder people laugh at liberals these days.