Senate Democrats sending secret letter about Kavanaugh to FBI

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And if she said "no" and he DID stop, then there's no problem. He deferred to her wishes. Unless the liberals are now claiming he raped someone. Is that the latest?

Yet she said he and his friend turned up the music so people couldn’t hear her protests, and she had to “escape.”

So the idea that she said no and he complied is not among the strong possibilities of what actually happened.

Well, that's one side of this story. The anonymous side. And he says it's absolutely untrue. Why do you believe someone anonymous, someone who may not even be real? Oh, wait - because it's supposedly a woman? Typical.
-a woman

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

We know none of that. We really don’t *know* if any of what has been made public actually happened.
We are being asked to believe an anonymous person who has said nothing for over 30 years. And this, after a slew of antics by the left to stop this nomination.
Very sketchy. Many of us remain unconvinced.

That's fine if you remain unconvinced. You obviously never went to a local party with boys from area catholic high schools. But those of us who did either personally experienced such things or know girls who did. So I'm sure you can understand why we are apt to believe that this is totally within the realm of possibility. This was a regular occurrence on Friday and Saturday nights back in the day.

And then even if you hadn't been at the party, you heard about it. This was back in the prehistoric days long before smartphones, so we relied on word of mouth. The guys would brag about it...because they thought it was funny and cool. They were heroes. And the girl who was dragged into a room and pinned down was labeled a slut...by everyone...including other girls (she should have known better, what did she expect would happen, why did she drink that much, why didn't she scream (she did, but nobody helped), etc.).

Interestingly, this was rampant in the catholic school party scene, but not in the public school scene. I had friends in both, and I went to all kinds of parties. I think some of these privileged boys were led to believe they were entitled to certain things, and I think they lived in the worst kind of frat boy environment even before they went off to college.

Nice anecdote. And it convinces me even more that this story is a bunch of hogwash.
This “victim” was likely privy to the culture you detailed. What better way to convince DC liberals than by creating a story that many of you experienced?
What are the names of all the other “victims” of Kavanaugh that have come forward? Oh, that’s right. There are none.
IOW - this is totally out of character for Kavanaugh and too convenient to be believed.

+100
Those are some lovely memories PP is conjuring up; however, her memories have nothing to do with an anonymous accusation by someone who, at this point, I suspect is fictional. No proof, no evidence whatsoever. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And you know this, how? Because there's a piece of paper - unsigned - that says so? Is it any wonder people laugh at liberals these days.

Who said it was unsigned? The woman’s name was/is known to Rep. Eshoo/Sen. Feinstein. She just requested anonymity.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

+1 For all we know, she has a history of mental health issues. We have no idea. Anonymity won't work in this kind of situation.

Oh here we go again. If consensual sex doesn't work than she has mental problems. Whatever happened, she asked for this. Dress cut too low. Flirted and led him on. It's her fault. Every republican senator who refuses to investigate this is also guilty of rape.

PP here. I was making a point. That's why anonymous accusations are meaningless. Just as bad to accuse a man of rape, attempted rape, etc with no confirmed basis. Can't believe you think that's okay.

+1,000,000

The fact that anyone would believe this claim without some kind of evidence is truly mind-boggling. Imagine if some anonymous person accused a Democratic politician of assault. They would be discounted in a hot minute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reason this woman needs to be anonymous is because her credibility must be seriously flawed.

Apparently many people know who she is and she has a stellar reputation. I think she's going to end up going public because so many people are learning her identity.

Everyone at the party knows who she is. And it's very likely that half of the people in area Catholic high schools at the time know who she is as well.

I bet she is working on a plan to go public right now. And I applaud her courage.

We won't hold our breath. I'm quite sure anonymous will remain anonymous (or, more likely - fictional).

[Anonymous]

Why do we have so many Catholics on the Supreme Court?

It seems they have so many sexual problems from the church down to high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Google Mark Judge, the guy who was allegedly with Kavanaugh.

I know he's trying to get out in front of it, but everything he has said makes it seem like he (Judge) would be involved with such an incident.

I googled Mark Judge and read about "Bart O'Kavanaugh" and his drunken sprees. What lovely Catholic boys! Let's see, he was a teen age alcoholic, as well as perjurer, and some sort of sexual attempt that is likely a felony. Such a fit person for a lifetime appointment to the US Supreme Court. Only Trumpkins could approve of this cretin.

Any credible links, or just random people spouting off on Twitter? Because you know that doesn't count, right?
Idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And if she said "no" and he DID stop, then there's no problem. He deferred to her wishes. Unless the liberals are now claiming he raped someone. Is that the latest?

Yet she said he and his friend turned up the music so people couldn’t hear her protests, and she had to “escape.”

So the idea that she said no and he complied is not among the strong possibilities of what actually happened.

Well, that's one side of this story. The anonymous side. And he says it's absolutely untrue. Why do you believe someone anonymous, someone who may not even be real? Oh, wait - because it's supposedly a woman? Typical.
-a woman

Because Kavanaugh is already a proven liar - about his finances, about his activities in the Bush Administration and when he testified previously before the Senate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And if she said "no" and he DID stop, then there's no problem. He deferred to her wishes. Unless the liberals are now claiming he raped someone. Is that the latest?

Yet she said he and his friend turned up the music so people couldn’t hear her protests, and she had to “escape.”

So the idea that she said no and he complied is not among the strong possibilities of what actually happened.

Well, that's one side of this story. The anonymous side. And he says it's absolutely untrue. Why do you believe someone anonymous, someone who may not even be real? Oh, wait - because it's supposedly a woman? Typical.
-a woman

Because Kavanaugh is already a proven liar - about his finances, about his activities in the Bush Administration and when he testified previously before the Senate.

Left wing narrative debunked by several actual legal scholars... even by Vox.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all who are poo pooing this, need to ask, if there was no there there, why and how did the GOP anticipate needing 65 women (who didn't go to high school with Brett) to sign a letter saying he was a nice boy?

--w
No one said they anticipated it. Ever heard of social media? Pretty sure that the girls' school alums are likely pretty close knit, even today. How long would it take to put that together? Not long at all. Especially, if a few of them are very good friends of his. And, yes, the girls' schools and the boys' schools do socialize together.

But, I'm sure we will get more information when the woman gets her television interview.

As an alum of a DC girls' school, I can safely say it probably took 10 minutes to pull that list together. The DC Catholic and private school network is incredibly tight knit. I don't like Brett Kavanaugh, and definitely don't want him confirmed, but I know most of the women on that list. Hell, I've probably been to a party with Brett Kavanaugh.

But just because 65 women weren't sexually assaulted doesn't mean that one wasn't.

THANK YOU. I’m the PP who seriously doubted that someone who graduated from Prep 35+ years ago could find 65 women who even knew who he was in high school, much less could vouch for his character then. I went to NCS, still live in DC, have a dozen VERY close friends from high school and would have a hard time coming up with 65 MEN, who obviously didn’t actually go to high school with me, vouching for my high school character with two days notice. My husband, who went to the New Jersey Georgetown Prep equivalent, said the same thing. It’s not believable.

I think you've misunderstood the PP. She was saying it's completely believable that this list of women was pulled together very quickly.

Well yes, but also that it’s unbelievable that every single one of them knew him in high school and can personally vouch for his character at that time? Because that sounds like some bullsh!t.

Not at all. These private school kids all know one another socially, and probably have for years.

I hear the Grassley letter was also intended as a warning to the complaintant. Some of those women know what happened and they’re saying we don’t have your back.

"You hear"? Riiiight. Stop continuing to spread lies and innuendo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Google Mark Judge, the guy who was allegedly with Kavanaugh.

I know he's trying to get out in front of it, but everything he has said makes it seem like he (Judge) would be involved with such an incident.

I googled Mark Judge and read about "Bart O'Kavanaugh" and his drunken sprees. What lovely Catholic boys! Let's see, he was a teen age alcoholic, as well as perjurer, and some sort of sexual attempt that is likely a felony. Such a fit person for a lifetime appointment to the US Supreme Court. Only Trumpkins could approve of this cretin.

Any credible links, or just random people spouting off on Twitter? Because you know that doesn't count, right?
Idiot.

I posted a link with excerpts from Judge’s book a page or two back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

And if she said "no" and he DID stop, then there's no problem. He deferred to her wishes. Unless the liberals are now claiming he raped someone. Is that the latest?

Yet she said he and his friend turned up the music so people couldn’t hear her protests, and she had to “escape.”

So the idea that she said no and he complied is not among the strong possibilities of what actually happened.

Well, that's one side of this story. The anonymous side. And he says it's absolutely untrue. Why do you believe someone anonymous, someone who may not even be real? Oh, wait - because it's supposedly a woman? Typical.
-a woman

Because Kavanaugh is already a proven liar - about his finances, about his activities in the Bush Administration and when he testified previously before the Senate.

As well as about Judge Kozinski's sexual banter and emails. Of course he heard Kozinski say stuff - everyone did. If he's going to lie about such a little, irrelevant thing, then you know he can lie about anything.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/kavanaugh-kozinski-gag-list-emails-senate-hearings.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People. Get real. If this happened in high school as described, this girl would not have kept quiet about it. I don't mean she would have pressed charges, but, certainly, other girls would have known about it.

But, even so, even if she thinks she is telling the truth, it just doesn't sound logical. She escaped from two high school boys? Kind of hard to believe. If it is not made of whole cloth, the gal is likely twisting the story.

I've literally been in this position. Yes, you can escape if you fight and don't freeze (a lot of women do to no fault of their own).

I find the deflection telling. There are many women in this story who know these schools and these types of parties in the DC area. And I am more than happy to give you the initial of my field hockey coach at our well known private to verify my bona fides.

I've also been to that Georgetown townhouse. It was a cigar smoke filled sh!t show. But I was an idiot and 20, fwiw. Luckily, I didn't get raped (though guys tried).

Don't you understand that none of these personal anecdotes matter? None of it. What matters is whether there actually is a person behind this anonymous accusation, and if so, what happened during the alleged incident. Those of you chiming in with your breathless stories of being at drunken parties are completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all who are poo pooing this, need to ask, if there was no there there, why and how did the GOP anticipate needing 65 women (who didn't go to high school with Brett) to sign a letter saying he was a nice boy?

--w
No one said they anticipated it. Ever heard of social media? Pretty sure that the girls' school alums are likely pretty close knit, even today. How long would it take to put that together? Not long at all. Especially, if a few of them are very good friends of his. And, yes, the girls' schools and the boys' schools do socialize together.

But, I'm sure we will get more information when the woman gets her television interview.

As an alum of a DC girls' school, I can safely say it probably took 10 minutes to pull that list together. The DC Catholic and private school network is incredibly tight knit. I don't like Brett Kavanaugh, and definitely don't want him confirmed, but I know most of the women on that list. Hell, I've probably been to a party with Brett Kavanaugh.

But just because 65 women weren't sexually assaulted doesn't mean that one wasn't.

THANK YOU. I’m the PP who seriously doubted that someone who graduated from Prep 35+ years ago could find 65 women who even knew who he was in high school, much less could vouch for his character then. I went to NCS, still live in DC, have a dozen VERY close friends from high school and would have a hard time coming up with 65 MEN, who obviously didn’t actually go to high school with me, vouching for my high school character with two days notice. My husband, who went to the New Jersey Georgetown Prep equivalent, said the same thing. It’s not believable.

I think you've misunderstood the PP. She was saying it's completely believable that this list of women was pulled together very quickly.

Well yes, but also that it’s unbelievable that every single one of them knew him in high school and can personally vouch for his character at that time? Because that sounds like some bullsh!t.

Seems to me that when this many women organize themselves to write a letter, it speaks to his strong character and integrity. Combine that with the numerous other character statements already submitted and he seems to be a man above reproach.

Very strange that they had this letter all ready to go. Seems they were expecting an accusation of this nature.

You aren't keeping up, are you? They didn't have anything "ready to go." They organized and got the letter signed within ONE day of the accusatory letter coming out. It wasn't hard and it wasn't pre-planned.

Not true. I know one of the women in the letter. She agreed to be in it well before all of this. It was a general request and had nothing to do with this.

Bull$hit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People. Get real. If this happened in high school as described, this girl would not have kept quiet about it. I don't mean she would have pressed charges, but, certainly, other girls would have known about it.

But, even so, even if she thinks she is telling the truth, it just doesn't sound logical. She escaped from two high school boys? Kind of hard to believe. If it is not made of whole cloth, the gal is likely twisting the story.

I've literally been in this position. Yes, you can escape if you fight and don't freeze (a lot of women do to no fault of their own).

I find the deflection telling. There are many women in this story who know these schools and these types of parties in the DC area. And I am more than happy to give you the initial of my field hockey coach at our well known private to verify my bona fides.

I've also been to that Georgetown townhouse. It was a cigar smoke filled sh!t show. But I was an idiot and 20, fwiw. Luckily, I didn't get raped (though guys tried).

Don't you understand that none of these personal anecdotes matter? None of it. What matters is whether there actually is a person behind this anonymous accusation, and if so, what happened during the alleged incident. Those of you chiming in with your breathless stories of being at drunken parties are completely irrelevant.

So are 65 high school "friends" who claim Brett was a nice boy.