Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

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Daycare is great...for preschoolers, NOT infants.

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Anonymous wrote:Daycare is great...for preschoolers, NOT infants.

Exactly. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?

You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?

Nope, sorry - different person you're now "debating". Might want to stop assuming only one person holds any given opinion.

Oh good grief- if you're so worried about being mistaken for someone else, sign up for a bloody username!! Seriously, it is not that hard. Otherwise accept that similar posts may be attributed to the same person.

Especially when that person is now saying that kids are speech delayed because of ESOL caregivers. And these are the women who claim they're such a great influence on their snowflakes! I just ... I can't.

I am one of the previous posters who said that having a non-English speaking person care for my baby/toddler/young child would not be optimum, especially as we're trying to establish English first and foremost. I also pointed out that most childcare providers do not speak English as their first language. I am not, however, the poster who says speech delayed kids are due to having ESOL caregivers.

I believe there are several other posters with similar, yet varying points of view on this topic. Got it?

Yup - you're a FTM SAHM. Cute.

Actually, no - but you keep on going with the assumptions. It only makes you look more foolish.

she's foolish?

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most childcare providers do not speak English as their first language.

there are no words.

You actually seem to have plenty of words... I'm sorry you don't like hearing the truth, but there it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

It depends on the family member. My MIL is retired and kept my nephew. It set him behind socially a lot because all she did was stick him front of the tv. He knew all of the story lines on general hospital and one life to live. At the time people thought it was funny, but now he is behind in elementary school.

A lot of kids go to daycare and learn to read, write, and do all kinds of things that put them ahead. My daughter was really in love with her daycare teacher. When we moved she cried over her for days.

The fact that you are okay with fleecing the government for welfare shows you have low moral character.

I would say that might be more reflective of your child.

My Mom did no activities with my kids, they watched plenty of TV and they were never behind in school. But...my emphasis was on INFANT care, not preschool.

And if the choice is between putting my young infant in a center for 8+ hours a day and welfare, I'd absolutely choose welfare.

But that's not a valid choice. Welfare does not pay the bills - you clearly have no understanding of how very little one actually gets - and it would not pay for you to stay home. You would have to feed your kids subpar food and they would not be able to live in a safe comfortable home. You are grossly underestimating and misunderstanding what it actually means to be poor. The government is not interested in funding your ideals. And numerous studies have shown that poverty in early childhood is linked to just about every societal ill. So, really, that is your choice? You would teach your children - hopefully not a girl, my goodness - that if the choice were working and figuring out child care for 40 hours a week or abject poverty, out of which it is almost impossible to overcome, you choose to be poor. I am not sure anyone would ever applaud that reasoning.

Oh, how wrong you are. Born and raised in poverty, public housing and welfare.

Thankfully, this was not a choice I had to make. And neither do you all. Surviving on one spouse's income is entirely doable. Entirely.

I know LOTs of people that live on welfare. A life on welfare is shameful. It's sad for the kids and adults. People that live on welfare in the DC area live in some very bad and dangerous areas. Most rental homes in nice areas will not accept section 8 tenants. Welfare pays peanuts here compared to the cost of living. I'm sorry but living on welfare should not be an option to stay at home. It's setting a poor example for your child. It's also not the taxpayers job to fund you because you couldn't keep your legs closed.

Get off the welfare kick, as that's obviously not the best choice. Getting by on one spouse's income IS possible. Why do you ignore this?

And why do you ignore that it's not that simple? Whether you can get by on one salary depends on a lot of things- the size of the salary itself, your family's obligations and expenses, when you bought a house in the DC area, etc. And no, some of us aren't willing to make the sacrifices required to just "get by." Some of us feel it is important to prepare for the future and not live paycheck to paycheck.

Are you the one that is living off the one income of $60k? How low are you willing to go exactly, to be a SAHM? What if your spouse gets laid off, has to take a pay cut, etc.? $40k, $20k?

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

It depends on the family member. My MIL is retired and kept my nephew. It set him behind socially a lot because all she did was stick him front of the tv. He knew all of the story lines on general hospital and one life to live. At the time people thought it was funny, but now he is behind in elementary school.

A lot of kids go to daycare and learn to read, write, and do all kinds of things that put them ahead. My daughter was really in love with her daycare teacher. When we moved she cried over her for days.

The fact that you are okay with fleecing the government for welfare shows you have low moral character.

I would say that might be more reflective of your child.

My Mom did no activities with my kids, they watched plenty of TV and they were never behind in school. But...my emphasis was on INFANT care, not preschool.

And if the choice is between putting my young infant in a center for 8+ hours a day and welfare, I'd absolutely choose welfare.

But that's not a valid choice. Welfare does not pay the bills - you clearly have no understanding of how very little one actually gets - and it would not pay for you to stay home. You would have to feed your kids subpar food and they would not be able to live in a safe comfortable home. You are grossly underestimating and misunderstanding what it actually means to be poor. The government is not interested in funding your ideals. And numerous studies have shown that poverty in early childhood is linked to just about every societal ill. So, really, that is your choice? You would teach your children - hopefully not a girl, my goodness - that if the choice were working and figuring out child care for 40 hours a week or abject poverty, out of which it is almost impossible to overcome, you choose to be poor. I am not sure anyone would ever applaud that reasoning.

Oh, how wrong you are. Born and raised in poverty, public housing and welfare.

Thankfully, this was not a choice I had to make. And neither do you all. Surviving on one spouse's income is entirely doable. Entirely.

I know LOTs of people that live on welfare. A life on welfare is shameful. It's sad for the kids and adults. People that live on welfare in the DC area live in some very bad and dangerous areas. Most rental homes in nice areas will not accept section 8 tenants. Welfare pays peanuts here compared to the cost of living. I'm sorry but living on welfare should not be an option to stay at home. It's setting a poor example for your child. It's also not the taxpayers job to fund you because you couldn't keep your legs closed.

Get off the welfare kick, as that's obviously not the best choice. Getting by on one spouse's income IS possible. Why do you ignore this?

And why do you ignore that it's not that simple? Whether you can get by on one salary depends on a lot of things- the size of the salary itself, your family's obligations and expenses, when you bought a house in the DC area, etc. And no, some of us aren't willing to make the sacrifices required to just "get by." Some of us feel it is important to prepare for the future and not live paycheck to paycheck.

Are you the one that is living off the one income of $60k? How low are you willing to go exactly, to be a SAHM? What if your spouse gets laid off, has to take a pay cut, etc.? $40k, $20k?

The Lord will provide. He always does!

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

It depends on the family member. My MIL is retired and kept my nephew. It set him behind socially a lot because all she did was stick him front of the tv. He knew all of the story lines on general hospital and one life to live. At the time people thought it was funny, but now he is behind in elementary school.

A lot of kids go to daycare and learn to read, write, and do all kinds of things that put them ahead. My daughter was really in love with her daycare teacher. When we moved she cried over her for days.

The fact that you are okay with fleecing the government for welfare shows you have low moral character.

I would say that might be more reflective of your child.

My Mom did no activities with my kids, they watched plenty of TV and they were never behind in school. But...my emphasis was on INFANT care, not preschool.

And if the choice is between putting my young infant in a center for 8+ hours a day and welfare, I'd absolutely choose welfare.

But that's not a valid choice. Welfare does not pay the bills - you clearly have no understanding of how very little one actually gets - and it would not pay for you to stay home. You would have to feed your kids subpar food and they would not be able to live in a safe comfortable home. You are grossly underestimating and misunderstanding what it actually means to be poor. The government is not interested in funding your ideals. And numerous studies have shown that poverty in early childhood is linked to just about every societal ill. So, really, that is your choice? You would teach your children - hopefully not a girl, my goodness - that if the choice were working and figuring out child care for 40 hours a week or abject poverty, out of which it is almost impossible to overcome, you choose to be poor. I am not sure anyone would ever applaud that reasoning.

Oh, how wrong you are. Born and raised in poverty, public housing and welfare.

Thankfully, this was not a choice I had to make. And neither do you all. Surviving on one spouse's income is entirely doable. Entirely.

I know LOTs of people that live on welfare. A life on welfare is shameful. It's sad for the kids and adults. People that live on welfare in the DC area live in some very bad and dangerous areas. Most rental homes in nice areas will not accept section 8 tenants. Welfare pays peanuts here compared to the cost of living. I'm sorry but living on welfare should not be an option to stay at home. It's setting a poor example for your child. It's also not the taxpayers job to fund you because you couldn't keep your legs closed.

Get off the welfare kick, as that's obviously not the best choice. Getting by on one spouse's income IS possible. Why do you ignore this?

And why do you ignore that it's not that simple? Whether you can get by on one salary depends on a lot of things- the size of the salary itself, your family's obligations and expenses, when you bought a house in the DC area, etc. And no, some of us aren't willing to make the sacrifices required to just "get by." Some of us feel it is important to prepare for the future and not live paycheck to paycheck.

Are you the one that is living off the one income of $60k? How low are you willing to go exactly, to be a SAHM? What if your spouse gets laid off, has to take a pay cut, etc.? $40k, $20k?

The Lord will provide. He always does!

Not the PP, but I am a SAHM - can't you see you're arguing with a troll?

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

LOL. You mean if your husband can't? Keep spreading your legs for cash in your account.

Wow. You're just as bad as the welfare queen.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

Is it a secret because you're the only one who knows it? Show me some stats because I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

Is it a secret because you're the only one who knows it? Show me some stats because I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true.

Nope. You aren't worth my time.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

Is it a secret because you're the only one who knows it? Show me some stats because I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true.

On the other hand, here's a stat showing the opposite is true.

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html

"Of child abuse cases in 2012, in over 80% of the cases the parent was the perpetrator."

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

Is it a secret because you're the only one who knows it? Show me some stats because I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true.

Nope. You aren't worth my time.

Oh, so you can't? Because they don't exist? That's what I thought. Have a good night.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been both: WOHM and SAHM. I'm incredibly fortunate to have a Mom who insisted in keeping her grandchildren when I did work.

Leaving my infant with a stranger does not sit well with me. When you add in a day care center where they won't receive individual care and attention...it's not happening. And having a nanny just leaves too much unaccountability for behaving well towards my child. I'd rather go on welfare and/or move in with my parents than subject my child to that.

IMO, children should be with their parents and/or loving grandparents until preschool.

Do you not understand how this sounds? My mother was available to take care of my kid so that's what I did and I could go back to work guilt-free…the rest of you can go eff yourselves. My husband makes a ton of money so I could quit my job and stay home…the rest of you can go eff yourselves.

No one cares what you think, because you're a smug bitch.

You missed where I said I've also SAH...on my DH'S then $60k salary . It can be done but folks don't want to make the true sacrifices to make it happen. It's unfortunate.

Do you know what other people's bills are to say it can be done? For all we know you ran up a bunch of credit card bills. Just because you are okay with being a welfare queen doesn't mean other people want too.

Again, it can be done but it takes sacrifices. Most aren't willing to make them.

And that's fine, unless you are a narcissist you should have no problem with the fact that we are not all the same and people have different ideas about what they want for their families.

Hey, make whatever choice you want. Doesn't mean I can't think it's a terrible one. IMO, if you can't afford to care for your infant yourself, you can't afford the child and are no better than the welfare queen. Only, she might be better. At least she's caring for her own child.

You can think whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned. I pay for all of my child's things out of my own pocket along with my husband and I'm very proud of that. We don't look to the government or anyone else to fund our lifestyle unlike yourself. I think people like you should be on birth control. What if your husband loses that little job of his or dumps you. I guess you'll just lap it up in a life of luxury on welfare or bum off of your parents who are probably on a limited income themselves I would bet.

I mentioned welfare as the extreme of what I'd do to stay home. It never came to that. I've worked and do now, but on my own terms. We're not rolling in the dough, but being there for my children is more important than money.

The problem is that folks have gotten so used to outsourcing, that it's become the norm to only see your children 2-3 hours a day. To put a NEWBORN in a daycare setting. That's amazingly sad.

I'm there for my child and I still make money. My child was in daycare from 3 months on until up. Guess what she is a smart, happy, and well adjusted child. She plays piano, tennis, and does ballet. We have no behavior issues from her. And we did it all without relying on grandma or the taxpayer.

Obviously your mom failed with you because she raised a nasty, judgemental troll for a daughter.

Nowhere do I state that daycare kids will turn out bad. Only that infants in daycare centers is a sad sight. Justify it all you want but sticking a newborn in a daycare center so Mom/Dad can go to work to make themselves feel important is pathetic.

Well I disagree. You can try and bash it all you want to make yourself feel better, but there is nothing wrong with daycare. Obviously you feel the need to bash the choices of others because your own life is sad and pathetic.

SOME daycares abuse/neglect the children. Still think there's nothing wrong with SOME daycares? You're effing crazy and maybe even an abuser.

And SOME SAHMs abuse/neglect their children as well, and YOU'RE crazy if you think they don't. There are good and bad day cares just as there are good and bad SAHMs. It's ridiculous to categorically label either one as good or bad.

Here's a little secret for you. It's more likely for an UNrelated person to harm a child than for a relative to harm a child.

Is it a secret because you're the only one who knows it? Show me some stats because I SERIOUSLY doubt this is true.

Nope. You aren't worth my time.

Oh, so you can't? Because they don't exist? That's what I thought. Have a good night.

You may keep throwing your babies to daycare, ok?