4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why his neighbors or parents didn't realize or notify police about the car he drove? It was all over the news.

It might be because there are tens of thousands of white Hyundai Elantras coast to coast. That could be part of it.

PP here. If I knew my friend or son or brother was enrolled in school and lived approximately 10 miles away from the murder scene and also drove a white Hyundai Elantra, it would give me a reason to wonder. I might even think someone had borrowed or stolen it. You wouldn't?

"The University of Idaho has 90 white Hyundai Elantras registered to park at the school, vehicles similar to the one police are seeking in connection with the quadruple homicide just steps off campus, records show."

But not one that mysteriously dissapeared across the country with a grad student who did not return for the rest of Winter break. Kinda stands out, don't you think?

Huh?

Not literally disappeared. He drove the car across the country right after the killings and never went back. That obviously looks suspicious.

He finished out his classes for the semester and went home for winter break, like tens of thousands of other kids from the school.

And if my son had that same car that was being reported in the news, plus knowing he attended school 10 miles away from the murders, I would inform the police.

No, you wouldn’t, because you have no reason to think that your son did anything wrong.

There's a gut feeling that most parents have about a child who struggles with mental health issues.

That's a bizarre take. The types of mental health issues that parents commonly encounter in their kids are things like depression and anxiety, not paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. Depresed kids aren't any more dangerous to others than their non-depressed classmates.

PP here. It's not a bizarre take. Not referring to depression or anxiety. Referring to schizophrenia and other severe forms of mental illness. Parents may not have a name for it, but most parents do have a gut feeling when their child "seems weird" or "off" or "strange." Those are terms parents may use to describe what they have observed

Strongly recommend people check out this podcast ("Sharon Says So" - Dr. Jillian Peterson) which is really enlightening on this subject. It's really excellent and only about 40 minutes. No, forcing your kid to lose weight isn't the answer. But giving a shit, not just parents but also the community, really is the answer. She talks about what moves people toward violence (it's not their mental illness) and how small things can make a huge positive impact. I realize this guy's not a shooter but it's the same type of mass violence and he seems like the same kind of character.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/173-the-violence-project-with-dr-jillian-peterson/id1576266622?i=1000577404454

I disagree that these murders are the same type of violence as a mass shooter. A mass shooter chooses a public place for his big act, and doesn’t necessarily expect to come home afterward. They’re literally hoping to go out in what they consider a blaze of glory. The body armor is just to keep them alive long enough to kill a sufficient number of people to be remembered or to feel revenged or whatever. Many of them leave manifesto-type writings or cryptic social media posts.

This guy snuck in the back door, and he very clearly thought he was clever enough to get away with it. This feels less an “I’ll show them all how powerful I am” act, and more “I’m so smart, they can’t possibly catch me.” The root causes might ultimately be shown to be similar, but the expression seems quite different.

[Anonymous]

I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I can think of a couple people I know that are bizarre and a creepy. Most people can. But unless someone is actually doing something illegal, or extremely suspicious, what are you supposed to do?

Have you heard “see something, say something”?
You are NOT the investigator. You report!

That phrase is used in airports - its about suspicious packages, not behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I can think of a couple people I know that are bizarre and a creepy. Most people can. But unless someone is actually doing something illegal, or extremely suspicious, what are you supposed to do?

Have you heard “see something, say something”?
You are NOT the investigator. You report!

That phrase is used in airports - its about suspicious packages, not behavior.

Wrong. It’s about anything suspicious or concerning. If a kid starts talking about killing people, you had better say something... like get a mental health evaluation asap.

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Anonymous wrote:I was once followed by a stranger for blocks. I would not go home so he could not know where I lived. When I called the police to report the incident, they said if he did not approach me, they could not do anything.

I said, can't you at least write down his description or go get his name in case tomorrow, there is a woman missing from my neighborhood?

They could have and should have taken a written report. Always get a copy. Sometimes they’re too busy or just too lazy.

How much info do you want cops to keep on people who haven’t committed a crime? For how long?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why his neighbors or parents didn't realize or notify police about the car he drove? It was all over the news.

It might be because there are tens of thousands of white Hyundai Elantras coast to coast. That could be part of it.

PP here. If I knew my friend or son or brother was enrolled in school and lived approximately 10 miles away from the murder scene and also drove a white Hyundai Elantra, it would give me a reason to wonder. I might even think someone had borrowed or stolen it. You wouldn't?

"The University of Idaho has 90 white Hyundai Elantras registered to park at the school, vehicles similar to the one police are seeking in connection with the quadruple homicide just steps off campus, records show."

But not one that mysteriously dissapeared across the country with a grad student who did not return for the rest of Winter break. Kinda stands out, don't you think?

Huh?

Not literally disappeared. He drove the car across the country right after the killings and never went back. That obviously looks suspicious.

He finished out his classes for the semester and went home for winter break, like tens of thousands of other kids from the school.

And if my son had that same car that was being reported in the news, plus knowing he attended school 10 miles away from the murders, I would inform the police.

No, you wouldn’t, because you have no reason to think that your son did anything wrong.

There's a gut feeling that most parents have about a child who struggles with mental health issues.

That's a bizarre take. The types of mental health issues that parents commonly encounter in their kids are things like depression and anxiety, not paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. Depresed kids aren't any more dangerous to others than their non-depressed classmates.

PP here. It's not a bizarre take. Not referring to depression or anxiety. Referring to schizophrenia and other severe forms of mental illness. Parents may not have a name for it, but most parents do have a gut feeling when their child "seems weird" or "off" or "strange." Those are terms parents may use to describe what they have observed

Strongly recommend people check out this podcast ("Sharon Says So" - Dr. Jillian Peterson) which is really enlightening on this subject. It's really excellent and only about 40 minutes. No, forcing your kid to lose weight isn't the answer. But giving a shit, not just parents but also the community, really is the answer. She talks about what moves people toward violence (it's not their mental illness) and how small things can make a huge positive impact. I realize this guy's not a shooter but it's the same type of mass violence and he seems like the same kind of character.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/173-the-violence-project-with-dr-jillian-peterson/id1576266622?i=1000577404454

I disagree that these murders are the same type of violence as a mass shooter. A mass shooter chooses a public place for his big act, and doesn’t necessarily expect to come home afterward. They’re literally hoping to go out in what they consider a blaze of glory. The body armor is just to keep them alive long enough to kill a sufficient number of people to be remembered or to feel revenged or whatever. Many of them leave manifesto-type writings or cryptic social media posts.

This guy snuck in the back door, and he very clearly thought he was clever enough to get away with it. This feels less an “I’ll show them all how powerful I am” act, and more “I’m so smart, they can’t possibly catch me.” The root causes might ultimately be shown to be similar, but the expression seems quite different.

Agree. One ex-FBI investigator thinks he has narcissistic characteristics based on what’s known so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another example of why you don’t send your children to a college where they have to live off-campus.

I never really like being out late at night, even in college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

I have but it’s true he was an acquaintance and not a friend. He killed his mother and did time in Maryland. He is out now and probably still scary as heck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I can think of a couple people I know that are bizarre and a creepy. Most people can. But unless someone is actually doing something illegal, or extremely suspicious, what are you supposed to do?

Have you heard “see something, say something”?
You are NOT the investigator. You report!

I am skeptical that this works. I saw something and reported it and was not taken seriously. So now I think—why bother?

[Anonymous]

This is solely personal opinion and really based on nothing but I think this guy was surprised to be caught. I think he wanted to be a serial killer of some type, had dome a lot of readings and research, and thought he had covered his tracks well. I am unsure if he had previously killed someone or if this was his first violent act.

He think he is more on the spectrum and antisocial personality or antisocial personality role modeled by his father than narcissistic.

I used to work in an adolescent psych word and we had three twarted school shooters brought in for forensic assessment during the time I was there. Two were just really angry, sad, hurting young people who had been bullied, excluded, rejected and wanted to retaliate and hurt others (one female, one male), and one was a really scary teen who enjoyed and got pleasure from causing pain and suffering. This teen had no conscience or sense of empathy and I don't believe any form of therapy could change who the core of the person they were. The other two I felt could be helped as they had had traumatic events and were really angry and still had a lot of emotions and thoughts tangled up in their plans. The scary teen just wanted to kill people for fun.

I think Bryan is more like the first two but then rather than making an adolescent plan, he spent ten years studying killers and criminology and thought he could be the next serial killer. Whether he has killed before or not is still to be seen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

I have but it’s true he was an acquaintance and not a friend. He killed his mother and did time in Maryland. He is out now and probably still scary as heck.

I know two people who went on to shoot others. Both were very quiet and well educated . One first studied the population, similar to this suspect. The other just seemed to have some kind of breakdown, due to a history of trauma.

In that case, there were no red flags of violence. But the person had started to seem very fragile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is solely personal opinion and really based on nothing but I think this guy was surprised to be caught. I think he wanted to be a serial killer of some type, had dome a lot of readings and research, and thought he had covered his tracks well. I am unsure if he had previously killed someone or if this was his first violent act.

He think he is more on the spectrum and antisocial personality or antisocial personality role modeled by his father than narcissistic.

I used to work in an adolescent psych word and we had three twarted school shooters brought in for forensic assessment during the time I was there. Two were just really angry, sad, hurting young people who had been bullied, excluded, rejected and wanted to retaliate and hurt others (one female, one male), and one was a really scary teen who enjoyed and got pleasure from causing pain and suffering. This teen had no conscience or sense of empathy and I don't believe any form of therapy could change who the core of the person they were. The other two I felt could be helped as they had had traumatic events and were really angry and still had a lot of emotions and thoughts tangled up in their plans. The scary teen just wanted to kill people for fun.

I think Bryan is more like the first two but then rather than making an adolescent plan, he spent ten years studying killers and criminology and thought he could be the next serial killer. Whether he has killed before or not is still to be seen.

Agree. No doubt they’re looking into potential association with other murders.

[Anonymous]

"I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Killer’s parents:
“We stand by our son.”
Sick, sick, sick.

I would stand by my child too until their guilt was proven.

I give them a little leeway for the simple reason this is a shocking, horrible, terrible, unexpected situation they find themselves in and maybe this is shock and confusion talking. How would any of us react under these dreadful circumstances?

I agree. Their son is denying it, he was at least right now high functioning in a phD program and they are his parents. They probably truly believe it’s some horrible mistake at this point. Not much has been released so they don’t fully know or understand the evidence. As a parent I can imagine being in deep denial in a situation like this

I truly doubt that parents and close relatives/friends of mass killers have never seen a single red flag.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I can think of a couple people I know that are bizarre and a creepy. Most people can. But unless someone is actually doing something illegal, or extremely suspicious, what are you supposed to do?

Have you heard “see something, say something”?
You are NOT the investigator. You report!

That phrase is used in airports - its about suspicious packages, not behavior.

Wrong. It’s about anything suspicious or concerning. If a kid starts talking about killing people, you had better say something... like get a mental health evaluation asap.

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