Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone so quick to blame Italians for COVID19 but what is the most popular vacation / work destination in Europe for Chinese: Milan Italy.


Yes, Milan Italy and Venice Italy (in the Veneto region near Milan). I was surprised at the number of Chinese tourists when I visited Venice.
Chinese also are involved in the Milan fashion scene and production of Italian clothing.
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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why anyone would post positively re: China and the Wuhan virus. China knew about the virus and allowed citizens to get together for communal meal. I think about 20,000 folks gathered for this communal meal and shared dishes to celebrate the Chinese New Year before China released info about the virus.


Snort. The only people who wax poetic about China are those who do NOT get it.
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Anonymous wrote:Everyone so quick to blame Italians for COVID19 but what is the most popular vacation / work destination in Europe for Chinese: Milan Italy.


Who is blaming?


Chinese live in Milan and go to Wuhan for Chinese New Year. Bring back virus.

Milanese businesmen visit Wuhan to see factories in China making their clothes. Bring back virus.
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Controversy is growing in Spain because the Minister of Health says he see no reason at this time to cancel Las Fallas, a huge festival in Valencia beginning today that runs over two weeks and attracts over a million people. The most important festivities occur between March 15 to 19.

Spain currently has 84 cases, a number of them in Valencia.

https://valenciaplaza.com/coronavirus-valencia-fallas-gobierno-ministerio-sanidad

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Anonymous wrote:For those who thought the Dominican Republic was a safe spring vacation choice--

DR has reported its first case, an Italian who entered the country a week ago.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elizondogabriel/status/1234140256548610048


Italy is spreading this everywhere. Jesus.



Countries need to stop allowing Italian nationals into their countries.

Of course, the world is much more reluctant to ban Italians, but can easily ban Chinese and Iranians and would do so for any country deemed as being more ‘other’ and Western Europe does not fit that label.

There’s not even anyone saying people returning from Italy should self isolate. Really though, anyone flying in from much of Europe should be self isolating.


oh shut up.


Let's see, COVID-19 spread out from Italy to:

Spain
Switzerland
USA
Dominican Republic
UK
France
Mexico
Colombia
Greece
Austria
Croatia
Algeria
Norway
Brazil
San Marino

Am I missing others?

But no country wants to ban a European and I bet no one is moving away from "Italian looking" people on the Metro.




I flew cross country on Friday and tried to maintain a distance of 24" from anyone regardless of how they looked. I did notice people spacing themselves out in the airport.
People were not acting like the usual gate lice.
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Anonymous wrote:Seems like fewer developments today?


There's the RI case, which is the 2nd in New England. He was traveling with RI high school students on a school trip to Italy. The school has been closed.
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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why anyone would post positively re: China and the Wuhan virus. China knew about the virus and allowed citizens to get together for communal meal. I think about 20,000 folks gathered for this communal meal and shared dishes to celebrate the Chinese New Year before China released info about the virus.


I'm guessing at this point they don't want the Chinese to clam up about what's going on there because (as in the WHO report) there are lessons to be learned from what they did to address the crisis. So they are sucking up a little, even though the Chinese started the world on fire.
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Anonymous wrote:They were only allowed to test more braodly in the last couple of days. Of course we are picking up deaths and severe cases. Like Iran and Italy at the beginning.
I like how they suggest that people with coronavirus symptoms call their health care provider, considering that a huge fraction of the population doesn't have one. Europe and Asia has implemented public numbers to be called...Once again, we are behind. Shame on us.



I agree with you. And what really gets me is that our country had the time to prepare for this based on what we saw happening in China, and we have the resources. Yet I’m feeling like the US is not as well-prepared to face this as we should be.


You do realize China said NOTHING for quite a while. This started in China on December 8th.


How is it relevant that China said NOTHING for quite a while? We've known this was coming for weeks. And we are like, what the hell is happening? Why is the stock market dropping? Oh, people are just panicking for no reason whatsoever. Never mind that one of the most repressive countries in the world and one who is utterly reliant on their factories has implemented severe measures to contain the spread of this illness. That won't come HERE, after all. I mean, people are so crazy and I have to protect my investments!

Seriously, it's like we are so blind to facts that it's embarrassing.


If Trump is going to pat himself on the back about the travel ban (which was incomplete but helpful), okay. But more draconian measures need to be taken, especially now that our own cases of community spread have started. I don't see that happening. And Americans are less obedient than the Chinese, so we need people to understand how bad things are to get them to comply with anything. The CDC Director yesterday said people should be comfortable flying into Washington state and Santa Clara County. That made no sense but because he said that nobody could cancel without repercussions from their employers if it was business related.

Why can't the CDC update its website real time instead of (supposedly) 3x a week? This just slows down the information flow. Plus they keep saying that your risk as an individual American is low, but that the risk assessment could change. Just slow rolling so people don't get too excited until it's too late to do anything. This leads to so many rich DCUMs who can't imagine having to give up their European spring break trips, so a lot of bravado there. Maybe if you have a second home in an out of the way place, but Europe? Wake up because life as you know it just changed, at least for a while.
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Anonymous wrote:I strongly suggest everyone read the WHO report by experts who visited China.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


I don’t want this to get lost. Every single person should read this report.

The WHO sent 25 international experts to China and here are their main findings after 9 days

The WHO has sent a team of international experts to China to investigate the situation, including Clifford Lane, Clinical Director at the US National Institutes of Health. Here is [the press conference on Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0q1XMRKYM) and the [final report of the commission as PDF](https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf) after they visited Beijing, Wuhan, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Chengdu. Here are some interesting facts about Covid that I have not yet read in the media:

- When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet.

- 5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require [artificial respiration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_ventilation). Another 15% need to breathe in [highly concentrated oxygen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_therapy) - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over. The province of Hubei, whose capital is Wuhan, had 65,596 infected persons so far. A total of 40,000 employees were sent to Hubei from other provinces to help fight the epidemic. 45 hospitals in Wuhan are caring for Covid patients, 6 of which are for patients in critical condition and 39 are caring for seriously ill patients and for infected people over the age of 65. Two makeshift hospitals with 2,600 beds were built within a short time. 80% of the infected have mild disease, ten temporary hospitals were set up in gymnasiums and exhibition halls for those.

- China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus: In Guangdong province, far from Wuhan, 320,000 people have been tested, and 0.14% of those were positive for the virus.

- The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare - and most of them fall ill in the next few days.

- The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.

- An examination of [44,672 infected people in China](http://rs.yiigle.com/yufabiao/1181998.htm) showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system. All fatality figures reflect the state of affairs in China up to 17 February, and everything could be quite different in the future elsewhere.

- Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to [treat 0.4% of the population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds) at the same time - other developed countries [have between 0.1% and 1.3%](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds) and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases. The most important thing is firstly to aggressively contain the spread of the virus in order to keep the number of seriously ill Covid patients low and secondly to increase the number of beds (including material and personnel) until there is enough for the seriously ill. China also tested various treatment methods for the unknown disease and the most successful ones were implemented nationwide. Thanks to this response, the fatality rate in China is now lower than a month ago.

- Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.

- Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected:

Age | % of population | % of infected | Fatality
:- | - | - | -:
0-9 | 12.0% | 0,9% | 0 as of now
10-19| 11.6% | 1.2% | 0.1%
20-29 | 13.5% | 8.1% | 0.2%
30-39 | 15.6% | 17.0% | 0.2%
40-49 | 15.6% | 19.2% | 0.4%
50-59 | 15.0% | 22.4% | 1.3%
60-69 | 10.4% | 19.2% | 3.6%
70-79 | 4.7% | 8.8% | 8.0%
80+ | 1.8% | 3.2% | 14.8%

*Read: Out of all people who live in China, 13.5% are between 20 and 29 years old. Out of those who were infected in China, 8.1% were in this age group. This does not mean that 8.1% of people between 20 and 29 become infected. It means that the likelihood of someone at this age to catch the infection is somewhat lower compared to the average. And of those who caught the infection in this age group, 0.2% died.*

- Gender: Women catch the disease just as often as men. But only 2.8% of Chinese women who were infected died from the disease, while 4.7% of the infected men died. The disease appears to be not more severe in pregnant women than in others. In 9 examined births of infected women, the children were born by caesarean section and healthy without being infected themselves. The women were infected in the last trimester of pregnancy. What effect an infection in the first or second trimester has on embryos is currently unclear as these children are still unborn.

- The new virus is genetically 96% identical to a known coronavirus in bats and 86-92% identical to a coronavirus in pangolin. Therefore, the transmission of a mutated virus from animals to humans is the most likely cause of the appearance of the new virus.

- Since the end of January, the number of new coronavirus diagnoses in China has been steadily declining ([shown here as a graph](https://imgur.com/a/6IL4xhv)) with now only 329 new diagnoses within the last day - one month ago it was around 3,000 a day. "This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real," the report says. The authors conclude this from their own experience on site, declining hospital visits in the affected regions, the increasing number of unoccupied hospital beds, and the problems of Chinese scientists to recruit enough newly infected for the clinical studies of the numerous drug trials. [Here is the relevant part of the press conference about the decline assessment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0q1XMRKYM&feature=youtu.be&t=1508).

- One of the important reasons for containing the outbreak is that China is interviewing all infected people nationwide about their contact persons and then tests those. There are 1,800 teams in Wuhan to do this, each with at least 5 people. But the effort outside of Wuhan is also big. In Shenzhen, for example, the infected named 2,842 contact persons, all of whom were found, testing is now completed for 2,240, and 2.8% of those had contracted the virus. In Sichuan province, 25,493 contact persons were named, 25,347 (99%) were found, 23,178 have already been examined and 0.9% of them were infected. In the province of Guangdong, 9,939 contacts were named, all found, 7,765 are already examined and 4.8% of them were infected. That means: If you have direct personal contact with an infected person, the probability of infection is between 1% and 5%.

*Finally, a few direct quotes from the report:*

"China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic. In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history. China’s uncompromising and rigorous use of non-pharmaceutical measures to contain transmission of the COVID-19 virus in multiple settings provides vital lessons for the global response. This rather unique and unprecedented public health response in China reversed the escalating cases in both Hubei, where there has been widespread community transmission, and in the importation provinces, where family clusters appear to have driven the outbreak."

"Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China. These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these measures."

"COVID-19 is spreading with astonishing speed; COVID-19 outbreaks in any setting have very serious consequences; and there is now strong evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions can reduce and even interrupt transmission. Concerningly, global and national preparedness planning is often ambivalent about such interventions. However, to reduce COVID-19 illness and death, near-term readiness planning must embrace the large-scale implementation of high-quality, non-pharmaceutical public health measures. These measures must fully incorporate immediate case detection and isolation, rigorous close contact tracing and monitoring/quarantine, and direct population/community engagement."
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Anonymous wrote:Culture has succumbed to the coronavirus:

Milan announces the closing of La Scala and Paris of the Louvre.


Without people, there is no culture.


This is an interesting thought process. Let's expand. Who gets the beds if we end up overextended? How will you feel if you find out that illegal aliens are getting treatment and, as an American citizen with health insurance, not your wife/father/mother/husband/daughter because there are no beds left?

We are now going to see what open border altruism brings real-time


This is straight up xenophobia mixed with gotcha-ism.

There are nowhere near enough beds across this country compared to the amount of citizens. If it gets to the point where I'm questioning why my kid isn't getting care I won't have time to ask who is and isn't illegal - I'll want my kid to have a bed no matter what if put in that position and that's a position of extreme circumstance. Asking for green cards does what exactly if there are piles of people at the hospital? It means maybe we moved up a few spots in line to wait for a bed if only citizens were allowed them.



So why on earth are you for bringing more people in if there already aren't enough for our own citizens? That's my point. The first people a pandemic will hit is those living in very close quarters and those out on the streets already in bad shape. For God's sake we were looking at PLAGUE in LA! Wake up!


It doesn’t matter with the system. it’s the first human being or the human in the most need.
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4 additional cases in Ontario, Canada all contacts of previously reported cases that are Iran and Egypt-travel related.

The province now has 15 cases and says its preparing for community spread.

(Note: Egypt has reported two cases, both said to be of non-Egyptians. One of today's cases and an earlier one in Ontario are Egypt travel related.)

https://news.ontario.ca/mohltc/en/2020/03/ontario-confirms-new-positive-cases-of-covid-19-1.html
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A Seattle area high school is closing Monday after a student and his mother, a health care worker, show symptoms.

(This is not the same high school the teenager who was confirmed with the virus on Friday attends.)

"Hazen High School in Renton, Washington, will be closed Monday after officials learned Sunday that a parent and student were "experiencing flu-like symptoms and were tested yesterday" for coronavirus.

"They are self-quarantined at home while awaiting results of the test," said Damien Pattenaude, Renton Schools superintendent. "The parent works in the health care industry and became sick last Sunday. The student became sick Wednesday afternoon and did not attend school on Thursday or Friday."

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-01-20-intl-hnk/index.html
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Anonymous wrote:I strongly suggest everyone read the WHO report by experts who visited China.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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