Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

I am 100 percent sure that Roethlisberger's death will be accompanied by tons of rehashing of his rape charges.

And that’s the problem with this fake outrage. If you are so outraged then shut these men down when they are alive. Roethlisberger should be afraid to step foot on the field. There should be protesters at every game. Outside of his home. There should be articles everyday talking about him. Same with Woody Allen. Why are people still working with him?

Nope. They don’t care. They tried to go after Kobe again when he was nominated for an Oscar award (or whatever the movie award is called). But guys like Woody Allen, Rothlesburger (who did the same thing as Kobe and settled but shhhh), get nothing.

Heck, Cuba Gooding Jr got more backlash for a woman in a bar simply brushing her boob on his arm. Seriously. But guys like Stephen Collins, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski....silence.

Are you joking? Woody and Polanski got a huge response. Lots of people despise them and there will ALWAYS be asterisks by their names. As they should. But, as with Kobe, you have the apologist as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

Well, he was a serial adulterer, and that was a horrible thing to do for a married man. Regardless of race. I have been reading about all of this now and i had no idea what a big jerk he was to his wife. I am neither black no white. This is not the behaviour
of a moral, good and decent human being.

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Anonymous wrote:Since posters are claiming that Kobe should be exempt from being remembered for the sexual assault because -
- athletes, even married fathers, cheat
- groupies like to have sex with them and often try to extort them
- wives know and accept this deal because of the money
- he committed adultry not rape
Makes me realize that we should continue to talk about Kobe in this context, especially now that he is dead. Infact, his daughters should know what he was accused of and what he admitted to.. Why? Only then male athletes will change their behaviour. Kobe should be made an example of and his legacy should always be remembered along with this incident (adultry with battery or violent rape - you choose). Unless athletes are made aware that this inhumane beastial behaviour will not be pardoned and forgotten, they will never have any motivation to change. Kobe will not be forgiven and neither will any other athlete who dares to rape. Keep it in your pants and use your damn hands.
Let athletes know that

Who died and made you the sex police? Buzz off. These are adults making adult decisions. Who the hell are you to try to dictate what grown adults can do? Your arrogance is astounding.

Who died? Kobe did. Remember that exceptional athlete who was beloved and who also cheated on his wife and raped a teenager?

We all will take some stance - rape protestors, rape apologists and neutral Switzerland. No one made me the sex police but when did you become the pimp?

You continue to post nonsensical gibberish. Take a minute to collect yourself and come back when you have something coherent to say. You still live in a delusional world where you think you have the right to tell consenting adults how they can have sex.

Except consent was not given.

You are trying to dictate what ALL athletes and groupies should and should not do with their bodies and the manner in which they should do it. You’re also criminalizing sex just because it’s athletes having it. You throw around the R word like your life depended on it. Again, who the hell do you think you are? Groupies know what they are doing and so do athletes. If you have a problem with it, go whine to your priest on Sunday. Again, you arrogance is astounding.

Not all athletes are in a position where they have to defend their rough extramarital sex with a stranger, who later says she did not consent. If you are going to do the deed, you have to be prepared for embarrassing scrutiny. Too bad, so sad.

Then why are you trying to meddle in the sex lives of all athletes? Go collect your thoughts. You make no sense.

People like PP make me question how they navigate reality.

“Oh no, some people like ...kinky sex? Even athletes? You mean, they don’t just do missionary only??? THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!”

You misinterpret. I don't care what athletes or anyone else does. But if one's proclivities cause them to to be accused of rape, them's the breaks. It's not a great idea to choke strangers if you don't know how they might react. Good advice, whether you're famous or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

Well, he was a serial adulterer, and that was a horrible thing to do for a married man. Regardless of race. I have been reading about all of this now and i had no idea what a big jerk he was to his wife. I am neither black no white. This is not the behaviour
of a moral, good and decent human being.

It's one reason that the NBA stopped drafting HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

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He was a money making machine for the industry and himself so he was protected. His life worked out ok for being such a jerk. He àt least finished with basketball. Apart from that, he does not seem to be a stellar husband. No daughter should grow up under a rapist dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Since posters are claiming that Kobe should be exempt from being remembered for the sexual assault because -
- athletes, even married fathers, cheat
- groupies like to have sex with them and often try to extort them
- wives know and accept this deal because of the money
- he committed adultry not rape
Makes me realize that we should continue to talk about Kobe in this context, especially now that he is dead. Infact, his daughters should know what he was accused of and what he admitted to.. Why? Only then male athletes will change their behaviour. Kobe should be made an example of and his legacy should always be remembered along with this incident (adultry with battery or violent rape - you choose). Unless athletes are made aware that this inhumane beastial behaviour will not be pardoned and forgotten, they will never have any motivation to change. Kobe will not be forgiven and neither will any other athlete who dares to rape. Keep it in your pants and use your damn hands.
Let athletes know that

Who died and made you the sex police? Buzz off. These are adults making adult decisions. Who the hell are you to try to dictate what grown adults can do? Your arrogance is astounding.

Who died? Kobe did. Remember that exceptional athlete who was beloved and who also cheated on his wife and raped a teenager?

We all will take some stance - rape protestors, rape apologists and neutral Switzerland. No one made me the sex police but when did you become the pimp?

You continue to post nonsensical gibberish. Take a minute to collect yourself and come back when you have something coherent to say. You still live in a delusional world where you think you have the right to tell consenting adults how they can have sex.

Except consent was not given.

You are trying to dictate what ALL athletes and groupies should and should not do with their bodies and the manner in which they should do it. You’re also criminalizing sex just because it’s athletes having it. You throw around the R word like your life depended on it. Again, who the hell do you think you are? Groupies know what they are doing and so do athletes. If you have a problem with it, go whine to your priest on Sunday. Again, you arrogance is astounding.

Not all athletes are in a position where they have to defend their rough extramarital sex with a stranger, who later says she did not consent. If you are going to do the deed, you have to be prepared for embarrassing scrutiny. Too bad, so sad.

Then why are you trying to meddle in the sex lives of all athletes? Go collect your thoughts. You make no sense.

People like PP make me question how they navigate reality.

“Oh no, some people like ...kinky sex? Even athletes? You mean, they don’t just do missionary only??? THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!”

You misinterpret. I don't care what athletes or anyone else does. But if one's proclivities cause them to to be accused of rape, them's the breaks. It's not a great idea to choke strangers if you don't know how they might react. Good advice, whether you're famous or not.

kinda like don't wear a short skirt.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.

Where did I call her a whore? I said women have agency and you immediately jumped to whore? Reach much? You discredit yourself. If she wants to sleep with "big", hot, rich athletes and brag about it to her friends at a party, so be it. Also, take your puritan code somewhere else. Athletes sleep around. Get over it.

For the rest you are just jumping into shoulda, coulda, woulda and making bold declarations on the basis of that. It doesn't work like that. At best, you can say I DON'T KNOW. Stop reaching and filling in facts when you have no idea what happened.

Sweetie, it's not my "code." I couldn't possibly care less who he slept with. But I'm referring to the double standard that continues to be relied on to somehow excuse his behavior. That woman (his accuser) has been called a whore and worse on here and elsewhere. So what if she targeted rich athletes to sleep with? So what if she slept with the entire NBA. That doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped by him.

Why are you being so defensive? You obviously don't know much yourself. So start with that first.

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

Well, he was a serial adulterer, and that was a horrible thing to do for a married man. Regardless of race. I have been reading about all of this now and i had no idea what a big jerk he was to his wife. I am neither black no white. This is not the behaviour
of a moral, good and decent human being.

Go read the relationships forum. Many people are in bad marriages. I’m not going to shame a man for cheating on his wife when normal people do it all the time. We’re not in their relationship.

Also, Kobe and his wife have been really good the last couple of years. So seem like they were back on track.

But I’m not gonna judge someone based off what they did in their marriage. John McCain died last year and he cheated on his wife to get with Cindy, yet, no one brings that up. So why do I need to give hate to Kobe for his marriage blunders? No one is perfect. Not even you.

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Anonymous wrote:Since posters are claiming that Kobe should be exempt from being remembered for the sexual assault because -
- athletes, even married fathers, cheat
- groupies like to have sex with them and often try to extort them
- wives know and accept this deal because of the money
- he committed adultry not rape
Makes me realize that we should continue to talk about Kobe in this context, especially now that he is dead. Infact, his daughters should know what he was accused of and what he admitted to.. Why? Only then male athletes will change their behaviour. Kobe should be made an example of and his legacy should always be remembered along with this incident (adultry with battery or violent rape - you choose). Unless athletes are made aware that this inhumane beastial behaviour will not be pardoned and forgotten, they will never have any motivation to change. Kobe will not be forgiven and neither will any other athlete who dares to rape. Keep it in your pants and use your damn hands.
Let athletes know that

Who died and made you the sex police? Buzz off. These are adults making adult decisions. Who the hell are you to try to dictate what grown adults can do? Your arrogance is astounding.

Who died? Kobe did. Remember that exceptional athlete who was beloved and who also cheated on his wife and raped a teenager?

We all will take some stance - rape protestors, rape apologists and neutral Switzerland. No one made me the sex police but when did you become the pimp?

You continue to post nonsensical gibberish. Take a minute to collect yourself and come back when you have something coherent to say. You still live in a delusional world where you think you have the right to tell consenting adults how they can have sex.

Except consent was not given.

You are trying to dictate what ALL athletes and groupies should and should not do with their bodies and the manner in which they should do it. You’re also criminalizing sex just because it’s athletes having it. You throw around the R word like your life depended on it. Again, who the hell do you think you are? Groupies know what they are doing and so do athletes. If you have a problem with it, go whine to your priest on Sunday. Again, you arrogance is astounding.

Not all athletes are in a position where they have to defend their rough extramarital sex with a stranger, who later says she did not consent. If you are going to do the deed, you have to be prepared for embarrassing scrutiny. Too bad, so sad.

Then why are you trying to meddle in the sex lives of all athletes? Go collect your thoughts. You make no sense.

People like PP make me question how they navigate reality.

“Oh no, some people like ...kinky sex? Even athletes? You mean, they don’t just do missionary only??? THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!”

You misinterpret. I don't care what athletes or anyone else does. But if one's proclivities cause them to to be accused of rape, them's the breaks. It's not a great idea to choke strangers if you don't know how they might react. Good advice, whether you're famous or not.

Some people are into choking during sex. Some are into having their hair pulled hard. Some are into doggy style.

Who the hell are you to judge what people do in their bedrooms??

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

I tell you what...
If you really wanna blow these folks minds tell em to consider this...
If Kobe's ACCUSER was black woman, then his rape case TRULY would’ve been dismissed - I'm talking about even by investigating authorities.
He never would've been charged if it was a black woman in Colorado or a black woman anywhere for that matter making the claim.
That's the reality of race...black women get NO RESPECT.
(see: R. Kelly - if it was little white girls you KNOW they wouldn't have locked him up a long time ago.)

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

It is being dismissed by 99% of the human race because he didn't rape anyone. Of course there are hateful people, trolls, SJW types, etc, who will try to get some attention out of it and make themselves feel good.

Pretty much. Bored beckys who have nothing else going in their life and spend their free time hating on a dead man while totally being ok with creeps like Harvey Weinstein and Stephen Collins (7th heaven dad who molested several girls up until 1995) who are roaming the world free. For those men, it’s “just a mistake” but for Kobe, he should go down as a rapist based even though it’s unconvicted.

Show me one person who thinks Harvey Weinstein or Stephen Collins should go free. Just one.

They ARE free. That’s the issue. Stephen Collins literally went on ABC in an interview and that was the end of it. 7th heaven still airs currently. Meanwhile, Cosby is locked up and they have taken Cosby off syndication.

That tells you a lot. If you think race isn’t a factor, you’re being obtusely ignorant.

I think you've lost the plot a bit here. Kobe also was walking around free. I wholeheartedly agree that black men are always held to a higher standard than white men. But to state that Weinstein, Epstein or even Polanski or Woody Allen have wholly escaped consequences for their deplorable behavior is untrue.

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Anonymous wrote:Since posters are claiming that Kobe should be exempt from being remembered for the sexual assault because -
- athletes, even married fathers, cheat
- groupies like to have sex with them and often try to extort them
- wives know and accept this deal because of the money
- he committed adultry not rape
Makes me realize that we should continue to talk about Kobe in this context, especially now that he is dead. Infact, his daughters should know what he was accused of and what he admitted to.. Why? Only then male athletes will change their behaviour. Kobe should be made an example of and his legacy should always be remembered along with this incident (adultry with battery or violent rape - you choose). Unless athletes are made aware that this inhumane beastial behaviour will not be pardoned and forgotten, they will never have any motivation to change. Kobe will not be forgiven and neither will any other athlete who dares to rape. Keep it in your pants and use your damn hands.
Let athletes know that

Who died and made you the sex police? Buzz off. These are adults making adult decisions. Who the hell are you to try to dictate what grown adults can do? Your arrogance is astounding.

Who died? Kobe did. Remember that exceptional athlete who was beloved and who also cheated on his wife and raped a teenager?

We all will take some stance - rape protestors, rape apologists and neutral Switzerland. No one made me the sex police but when did you become the pimp?

You continue to post nonsensical gibberish. Take a minute to collect yourself and come back when you have something coherent to say. You still live in a delusional world where you think you have the right to tell consenting adults how they can have sex.

Except consent was not given.

You are trying to dictate what ALL athletes and groupies should and should not do with their bodies and the manner in which they should do it. You’re also criminalizing sex just because it’s athletes having it. You throw around the R word like your life depended on it. Again, who the hell do you think you are? Groupies know what they are doing and so do athletes. If you have a problem with it, go whine to your priest on Sunday. Again, you arrogance is astounding.

Not all athletes are in a position where they have to defend their rough extramarital sex with a stranger, who later says she did not consent. If you are going to do the deed, you have to be prepared for embarrassing scrutiny. Too bad, so sad.

Then why are you trying to meddle in the sex lives of all athletes? Go collect your thoughts. You make no sense.

People like PP make me question how they navigate reality.

“Oh no, some people like ...kinky sex? Even athletes? You mean, they don’t just do missionary only??? THOSE EVIL BASTARDS!!!”

You misinterpret. I don't care what athletes or anyone else does. But if one's proclivities cause them to to be accused of rape, them's the breaks. It's not a great idea to choke strangers if you don't know how they might react. Good advice, whether you're famous or not.

Some people are into choking during sex. Some are into having their hair pulled hard. Some are into doggy style.

Who the hell are you to judge what people do in their bedrooms??

Why are you willfully misrepresenting me? Do what you like. But you're doing it wrong if it results in a police report and a rape investigation.

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I think many of the rape apologists are also the ones who commit spousal rape. Rough sex, BDSM, bondage, swinging, multiple.partned - people can enjoy all of that as long as there is consent. No one actually gets injured to the extent that they are bleeding out from the vagina. Even bdsm has safe words. He was basically a criminal who did not get legally charged. And the continued adultery? Venessa stuck with him for her kids.
He was a great dad to any daughter or youngster who wanted to play basketball. He was not a great example to his daughters about what to look for in a spouse.

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

It is being dismissed by 99% of the human race because he didn't rape anyone. Of course there are hateful people, trolls, SJW types, etc, who will try to get some attention out of it and make themselves feel good.

Pretty much. Bored beckys who have nothing else going in their life and spend their free time hating on a dead man while totally being ok with creeps like Harvey Weinstein and Stephen Collins (7th heaven dad who molested several girls up until 1995) who are roaming the world free. For those men, it’s “just a mistake” but for Kobe, he should go down as a rapist based even though it’s unconvicted.

Show me one person who thinks Harvey Weinstein or Stephen Collins should go free. Just one.

They ARE free. That’s the issue. Stephen Collins literally went on ABC in an interview and that was the end of it. 7th heaven still airs currently. Meanwhile, Cosby is locked up and they have taken Cosby off syndication.

That tells you a lot. If you think race isn’t a factor, you’re being obtusely ignorant.

I think you've lost the plot a bit here. Kobe also was walking around free. I wholeheartedly agree that black men are always held to a higher standard than white men. But to state that Weinstein, Epstein or even Polanski or Woody Allen have wholly escaped consequences for their deplorable behavior is untrue.

Kobe wasn’t convicted. They settled and she walked away with money. He never went on to commit anything like that again. In fact he stayed out of the papers. Woody Allen is walking around like he did nothing. No charges. Still making movies. How long did it take to finally bring down the others? How many women had to be hurt before the others were even mentioned?

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Anonymous wrote:Somehow, I have not been able to understand the Black experience in this country because I am not Black and I am an immigrant. I have observed though that it dampens the criticism that Black community extends to a Black celebrity over any wrong doing because how the entire race will be percieved by non-Blacks and because they feel that the world wants to bring down the Black man. I first saw it with OJ Simpson, then Cosby, now Kobe. This cannot be healthy.
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If Kobe were a white guy and died the way he did, his rape case would’ve been dismissed by everyone and it would’ve not even been mentioned. That’s how it is in America. If you’re black and you do one thing, even if you’re not convicted, you die guilty as a bad person, no matter what.

White people will claim it has nothing to do with race, when it reality it has everything to do with race.

It is being dismissed by 99% of the human race because he didn't rape anyone. Of course there are hateful people, trolls, SJW types, etc, who will try to get some attention out of it and make themselves feel good.

Pretty much. Bored beckys who have nothing else going in their life and spend their free time hating on a dead man while totally being ok with creeps like Harvey Weinstein and Stephen Collins (7th heaven dad who molested several girls up until 1995) who are roaming the world free. For those men, it’s “just a mistake” but for Kobe, he should go down as a rapist based even though it’s unconvicted.

Show me one person who thinks Harvey Weinstein or Stephen Collins should go free. Just one.

They ARE free. That’s the issue. Stephen Collins literally went on ABC in an interview and that was the end of it. 7th heaven still airs currently. Meanwhile, Cosby is locked up and they have taken Cosby off syndication.

That tells you a lot. If you think race isn’t a factor, you’re being obtusely ignorant.

I think you've lost the plot a bit here. Kobe also was walking around free. I wholeheartedly agree that black men are always held to a higher standard than white men. But to state that Weinstein, Epstein or even Polanski or Woody Allen have wholly escaped consequences for their deplorable behavior is untrue.

Agreed. Kobe did not pay for his crime. People are getting upset because they do not want it even mentioned. Dude, materially he did not lose anything. As for his legacy? Whatever. If you are into basketball you will be impressed. He got away with doing the time because of who he was and because of money.
Venessa and her kids are at least ok financially. I wonder how the other families will good with the losses and the financial implication.