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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself.  This article is touching.  https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html[/quote]

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.  [/quote]

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.[/quote]

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.[/quote]

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?[/quote]

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it.  Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.[/quote]

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....[i]I don't know[/i]. Too many know it alls running around these days.[/quote]

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused?  God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent  sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.
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You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are [i]attracted[/i] to popular, rich athletes. Shock![/quote]

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.[/quote]

Where did I call her a whore? I said women have agency and you immediately jumped to whore? Reach much? You discredit yourself. If she wants to sleep with "big", hot, rich athletes and brag about it to her friends at a party, so be it. Also, take your puritan code somewhere else. Athletes sleep around. Get over it.

For the rest you are just jumping into shoulda, coulda, woulda and making bold declarations on the basis of that. It doesn't work like that. At best, you can say I DON'T KNOW. Stop reaching and filling in facts when you have no idea what happened.[/quote]

Sweetie, it's not my "code." I couldn't possibly care less who he slept with. But I'm referring to the double standard that continues to be relied on to somehow excuse his behavior. That woman (his accuser) has been called a whore and worse on here and elsewhere. So what if she targeted rich athletes to sleep with? So what if she slept with the entire NBA. That doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped by him.

Why are you being so defensive? You obviously don't know much yourself. So start with that first.[/quote]

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