Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

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Anonymous wrote:So sad the pilot didn't declare and emergency and land at Van Nuys or Burbank. Better late than dead.

I would guess that this tragedy will influence the decisions of pilots of helicopters and also airplanes for many years to come, so at least there's that.

Yes. There will be many such legacies of Kobe. Some good will come out of that. But please stop with #girldad. Want to be a great dad to a girl then treat the mother with respect.

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You realize that the Vanessa and Kobe have been great for the last 7 years, right? That has zero to do with him being a good dad.

Divorced parents can both be good parents, you bigot.

They were not divorced. She married a compulsive adulterer. Not a great exAmple to the daughters. The youngest might be only 7 months, but the oldest is 17 years old. Old enough to understand and to browse the internet. Heck, in two years she will be the same age as kobe's victim at the time of violent rape or rough sex cheating.... whatever you want to call it. #neverTHISdad

He cheated ONE time. Learn what compulsive means, you moron.

You’re worried about her daughters reading stuff online about yet you’re trashing him so now his daughters get the pleasure of reading how dummies like you think. Just exposing more of your white supremacist views.

2011 Vanessa filed for divorce from this dirtbag. She had two kid by that time. The precioud Gigi was 5 years ago. The charge was continued adultry. Google is your friend. Kobe - great athlete. Scumbag cheater.

Yeah. And they got back together a year or two later and were happy ever since and had more kids. They reconciled...

So what’s the problem?

Morally bankrupt adulterer. Otherwise he was a wonderful and highly successful basketball player. Alleged rapist. Woo hoo....no problem....according to some.

^"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Ummmm but the victim is sure being judged here, right?

Its probably because she doesn’t act like a victim. She’s rapping about it at a party. I’m pretty sure most rape victims are so traumatized, sex is the last thing on their mind. She’s having sex the next day

Acting like a victim? You don't get to judge that. There is no "victims rule book" and you're just furthering the narrative that they are supposed to act a certain way. Shame on you, pig.

All rape/assault victims act differently. Some act "normal" for any number of reasons, including trying to compartmentalize what happened.

And by your logic, we could say Kobe didn't act like much of a husband. Much of a good man. Mr. #GirlDad, cheating on his husband, engaging in rough sex and likely rape. He LIED about it 3 times before he realized that the police were able to get semen samples from him. That's not acting very innocent, is it?

Shame on you, PP. Shame the f--- out of you.

Let it go. The thread has moved on and you’re not very convincing. All you have is shaming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

Also, the pilot suggests Kobe’s pilot had multiple options for landing along the route when he realized weather was bad.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad the pilot didn't declare and emergency and land at Van Nuys or Burbank. Better late than dead.

I would guess that this tragedy will influence the decisions of pilots of helicopters and also airplanes for many years to come, so at least there's that.

Yes. There will be many such legacies of Kobe. Some good will come out of that. But please stop with #girldad. Want to be a great dad to a girl then treat the mother with respect.

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You realize that the Vanessa and Kobe have been great for the last 7 years, right? That has zero to do with him being a good dad.

Divorced parents can both be good parents, you bigot.

They were not divorced. She married a compulsive adulterer. Not a great exAmple to the daughters. The youngest might be only 7 months, but the oldest is 17 years old. Old enough to understand and to browse the internet. Heck, in two years she will be the same age as kobe's victim at the time of violent rape or rough sex cheating.... whatever you want to call it. #neverTHISdad

He cheated ONE time. Learn what compulsive means, you moron.

You’re worried about her daughters reading stuff online about yet you’re trashing him so now his daughters get the pleasure of reading how dummies like you think. Just exposing more of your white supremacist views.

2011 Vanessa filed for divorce from this dirtbag. She had two kid by that time. The precioud Gigi was 5 years ago. The charge was continued adultry. Google is your friend. Kobe - great athlete. Scumbag cheater.

Yeah. And they got back together a year or two later and were happy ever since and had more kids. They reconciled...

So what’s the problem?

Morally bankrupt adulterer. Otherwise he was a wonderful and highly successful basketball player. Alleged rapist. Woo hoo....no problem....according to some.

^"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Ummmm but the victim is sure being judged here, right?

Its probably because she doesn’t act like a victim. She’s rapping about it at a party. I’m pretty sure most rape victims are so traumatized, sex is the last thing on their mind. She’s having sex the next day

Acting like a victim? You don't get to judge that. There is no "victims rule book" and you're just furthering the narrative that they are supposed to act a certain way. Shame on you, pig.

All rape/assault victims act differently. Some act "normal" for any number of reasons, including trying to compartmentalize what happened.

And by your logic, we could say Kobe didn't act like much of a husband. Much of a good man. Mr. #GirlDad, cheating on his husband, engaging in rough sex and likely rape. He LIED about it 3 times before he realized that the police were able to get semen samples from him. That's not acting very innocent, is it?

Shame on you, PP. Shame the f--- out of you.

Before you decided to foolishly write this, you should’ve looked at the “victim” rapping about the alleged rape. Now you just sound bitter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

Also, the pilot suggests Kobe’s pilot had multiple options for landing along the route when he realized weather was bad.

I was wondering about this, too.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad the pilot didn't declare and emergency and land at Van Nuys or Burbank. Better late than dead.

I would guess that this tragedy will influence the decisions of pilots of helicopters and also airplanes for many years to come, so at least there's that.

Yes. There will be many such legacies of Kobe. Some good will come out of that. But please stop with #girldad. Want to be a great dad to a girl then treat the mother with respect.

????

You realize that the Vanessa and Kobe have been great for the last 7 years, right? That has zero to do with him being a good dad.

Divorced parents can both be good parents, you bigot.

They were not divorced. She married a compulsive adulterer. Not a great exAmple to the daughters. The youngest might be only 7 months, but the oldest is 17 years old. Old enough to understand and to browse the internet. Heck, in two years she will be the same age as kobe's victim at the time of violent rape or rough sex cheating.... whatever you want to call it. #neverTHISdad

He cheated ONE time. Learn what compulsive means, you moron.

You’re worried about her daughters reading stuff online about yet you’re trashing him so now his daughters get the pleasure of reading how dummies like you think. Just exposing more of your white supremacist views.

2011 Vanessa filed for divorce from this dirtbag. She had two kid by that time. The precioud Gigi was 5 years ago. The charge was continued adultry. Google is your friend. Kobe - great athlete. Scumbag cheater.

Yeah. And they got back together a year or two later and were happy ever since and had more kids. They reconciled...

So what’s the problem?

Morally bankrupt adulterer. Otherwise he was a wonderful and highly successful basketball player. Alleged rapist. Woo hoo....no problem....according to some.

^"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Ummmm but the victim is sure being judged here, right?

Its probably because she doesn’t act like a victim. She’s rapping about it at a party. I’m pretty sure most rape victims are so traumatized, sex is the last thing on their mind. She’s having sex the next day

Acting like a victim? You don't get to judge that. There is no "victims rule book" and you're just furthering the narrative that they are supposed to act a certain way. Shame on you, pig.

All rape/assault victims act differently. Some act "normal" for any number of reasons, including trying to compartmentalize what happened.

And by your logic, we could say Kobe didn't act like much of a husband. Much of a good man. Mr. #GirlDad, cheating on his husband, engaging in rough sex and likely rape. He LIED about it 3 times before he realized that the police were able to get semen samples from him. That's not acting very innocent, is it?

Shame on you, PP. Shame the f--- out of you.

Before you decided to foolishly write this, you should’ve looked at the “victim” rapping about the alleged rape. Now you just sound bitter.

I agree. News flash to the angry poster, you don’t have to be a famous basketball player, if her husband has options, he’s cheating as well

I think you can say this about many, perhaps even most, men but you can't say it about them all.

True, not all but there are lots of cheaters out there-men and women. Most are not famous

[Anonymous]

This is the short film that won him the Oscar. It’s only 5 minutes long. It’s great!
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/kobe-bryant-animated-short-film-dear-basketball/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the short film that won him the Oscar. It’s only 5 minutes long. It’s great!
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/kobe-bryant-animated-short-film-dear-basketball/

Loved it! Thanks for sharing.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the short film that won him the Oscar. It’s only 5 minutes long. It’s great!
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/kobe-bryant-animated-short-film-dear-basketball/

Thank you for linking that. The animation is spectacular.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad the pilot didn't declare and emergency and land at Van Nuys or Burbank. Better late than dead.

I would guess that this tragedy will influence the decisions of pilots of helicopters and also airplanes for many years to come, so at least there's that.

Yes. There will be many such legacies of Kobe. Some good will come out of that. But please stop with #girldad. Want to be a great dad to a girl then treat the mother with respect.

????

You realize that the Vanessa and Kobe have been great for the last 7 years, right? That has zero to do with him being a good dad.

Divorced parents can both be good parents, you bigot.

They were not divorced. She married a compulsive adulterer. Not a great exAmple to the daughters. The youngest might be only 7 months, but the oldest is 17 years old. Old enough to understand and to browse the internet. Heck, in two years she will be the same age as kobe's victim at the time of violent rape or rough sex cheating.... whatever you want to call it. #neverTHISdad

He cheated ONE time. Learn what compulsive means, you moron.

You’re worried about her daughters reading stuff online about yet you’re trashing him so now his daughters get the pleasure of reading how dummies like you think. Just exposing more of your white supremacist views.

2011 Vanessa filed for divorce from this dirtbag. She had two kid by that time. The precioud Gigi was 5 years ago. The charge was continued adultry. Google is your friend. Kobe - great athlete. Scumbag cheater.

Yeah. And they got back together a year or two later and were happy ever since and had more kids. They reconciled...

So what’s the problem?

Morally bankrupt adulterer. Otherwise he was a wonderful and highly successful basketball player. Alleged rapist. Woo hoo....no problem....according to some.

^"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Ummmm but the victim is sure being judged here, right?

Its probably because she doesn’t act like a victim. She’s rapping about it at a party. I’m pretty sure most rape victims are so traumatized, sex is the last thing on their mind. She’s having sex the next day

He was an ace in associating with bimbos with no self respect. Maybe it was the money. What say you?

Huh? I think my opinion is lots of women get sexually assaulted, unfortunately but I believe her story is more BS than true

From what I've read, she's diagnosed as having schizophrenia and had been hospitalized for it before the incident with Kobe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

I do have Sirius but didn't have to log into anything to hear this, I just pressed the play button. Apologies if this is behind some firewall. And thanks to the poster that did give a summary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

Yes the pilot was flying under visual flight rules, and due to low clouds, he went into the cloud. Then, he most likely got disoriented, flipped the helicopter almost upside down, and it flew directly into the ground.

It’s very easy to lose control of a helicopter when flying into a cloud, even for experienced pilots. He probably was feeling pressure to get to destination and took a few more risks than necessary.

Inadvertently losing visual touch with the horizon can be very dangerous in a helo unless the pilot has VERY intensely trained on IIFR scenarios.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

Yes the pilot was flying under visual flight rules, and due to low clouds, he went into the cloud. Then, he most likely got disoriented, flipped the helicopter almost upside down, and it flew directly into the ground.

It’s very easy to lose control of a helicopter when flying into a cloud, even for experienced pilots. He probably was feeling pressure to get to destination and took a few more risks than necessary.

Inadvertently losing visual touch with the horizon can be very dangerous in a helo unless the pilot has VERY intensely trained on IIFR scenarios.

This. I liked Kobe. He was a nice guy, with lots of charm, but this idolatry is getting old. Who was applying the pressure to keep going? Most likely Kobe. Kobe had several opportunities to make a safer albeit longer duration choice but instead insisted on taking the helicopter. The cause of death for Kobe should be listed as "hubris."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to interrupt with helicopter stuff but this podcast interview is fascinating:

Legendary LA Helicopter Pilot Zoey Tur on Kobe Bryant's Final Flight
https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/clip/a9914a41-78d6-4402-8150-b8f14a44945b/8d2d5a4d-139b-4628-9ebf-baa173d32c7d

Can you do a summary for those of us without sirius xm?

Pilot is the one who flew the footer of OJ as he drove down the highway in the Bronco.
About Kobe’s pilot: crash was due to pilot error, inadvertent VFR instrument conditions. Bad weather + firey crash = indicates speeding [upward] helicopter as it crashed down into the [hidden] hillside.

Yes the pilot was flying under visual flight rules, and due to low clouds, he went into the cloud. Then, he most likely got disoriented, flipped the helicopter almost upside down, and it flew directly into the ground.

It’s very easy to lose control of a helicopter when flying into a cloud, even for experienced pilots. He probably was feeling pressure to get to destination and took a few more risks than necessary.

Inadvertently losing visual touch with the horizon can be very dangerous in a helo unless the pilot has VERY intensely trained on IIFR scenarios.

This. I liked Kobe. He was a nice guy, with lots of charm, but this idolatry is getting old. Who was applying the pressure to keep going? Most likely Kobe. Kobe had several opportunities to make a safer albeit longer duration choice but instead insisted on taking the helicopter. The cause of death for Kobe should be listed as "hubris."

People can feel pressure without anyone consciously exerting pressure. The pilot may have decided himself that it was very important to get Kobe to his destination. Kobe could’ve been chill about the situation. We don’t know though.