Van Hollen in El Salvador

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

9 Supreme court justices disagree but I am sure you know better

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

Reminds me of a playdate my son had several years ago with a friend that lived in a huge house in Potomac. I'm a nursing professor and was telling the other mom about taking students to a local Headstart program and how students are often surprised that for some of the kids, a meal at home was a tortilla. She was shocked and said "A tortilla??? How do they get their kids to eat a tortilla, my kids won't eat tortillas! What kind of kid eats a tortilla????"
I'm like, uhhhh, the kids of the people who mow your acres of grass, fix your roof, do your laundry, and clean your house. They actually have families too and they don't live on multimillion dollar estates.
Good grief, it's been 20 years and I still remember that lady like yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

Reminds me of a playdate my son had several years ago with a friend that lived in a huge house in Potomac. I'm a nursing professor and was telling the other mom about taking students to a local Headstart program and how students are often surprised that for some of the kids, a meal at home was a tortilla. She was shocked and said "A tortilla??? How do they get their kids to eat a tortilla, my kids won't eat tortillas! What kind of kid eats a tortilla????"
I'm like, uhhhh, the kids of the people who mow your acres of grass, fix your roof, do your laundry, and clean your house. They actually have families too and they don't live on multimillion dollar estates.
Good grief, it's been 20 years and I still remember that lady like yesterday.

What has this got to do with the president defying the judiciary and the future precedent this case sets?

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

Reminds me of a playdate my son had several years ago with a friend that lived in a huge house in Potomac. I'm a nursing professor and was telling the other mom about taking students to a local Headstart program and how students are often surprised that for some of the kids, a meal at home was a tortilla. She was shocked and said "A tortilla??? How do they get their kids to eat a tortilla, my kids won't eat tortillas! What kind of kid eats a tortilla????"
I'm like, uhhhh, the kids of the people who mow your acres of grass, fix your roof, do your laundry, and clean your house. They actually have families too and they don't live on multimillion dollar estates.
Good grief, it's been 20 years and I still remember that lady like yesterday.

Oh please. The DC "elites" are not the ones addicted to cheap labor. It's actually the farms and manufacturing facilities in the south and midwest that are addicted. I don't see many Americans trying to pick fruit and veggies.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

Reminds me of a playdate my son had several years ago with a friend that lived in a huge house in Potomac. I'm a nursing professor and was telling the other mom about taking students to a local Headstart program and how students are often surprised that for some of the kids, a meal at home was a tortilla. She was shocked and said "A tortilla??? How do they get their kids to eat a tortilla, my kids won't eat tortillas! What kind of kid eats a tortilla????"
I'm like, uhhhh, the kids of the people who mow your acres of grass, fix your roof, do your laundry, and clean your house. They actually have families too and they don't live on multimillion dollar estates.
Good grief, it's been 20 years and I still remember that lady like yesterday.

What has this got to do with the president defying the judiciary and the future precedent this case sets?

Not a damn thing. Just stupid people being obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.

Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.

The folks here arguing in favor of Garcia are trying to make the larger point about not deporting without due process. However, due process was not followed when such individuals entered the country illegally. I wonder where all of these folks were when Biden let in millions of illegal aliens in violation of US law?

Beyond all of this, I ask all of the folks demanding full due process would be okay with banning anyone who entered the country illegally from:

NEVER being allowed to vote,

NOT counted as part of the census (which allocates Congressional seats and Electoral College votes)

NEVER receiving any federal or state benefits

IMMEDIATE deportation if they commit any crime (after serving whatever incarceration period is required - probation gets deportation And a bar from reentry until probation period ends).

If illegal aliens want these things, they will have to self deport and seek to emigrate to the US legally.

García didn’t enter illegally. He came seeking asylum, perfectly legal. You may not like that, but that is the law.

TLDR; He followed the law. Trump broke the law. SCOTUS weighed in and said, YEP, that’s correct.

Either we are a country of laws or not.

Nope, he entered illegally. If he had a legal entry, he would have a IS citizenship through his US wife by now.

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CVh says Bukele set him up re “margarita gate”.

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Anonymous wrote:CVh says Bukele set him up re “margarita gate”.

That was fairly obvious. I mean the guy showed up in jeans and a nice new shirt - pretty sure that's not prison-issued.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

Reminds me of a playdate my son had several years ago with a friend that lived in a huge house in Potomac. I'm a nursing professor and was telling the other mom about taking students to a local Headstart program and how students are often surprised that for some of the kids, a meal at home was a tortilla. She was shocked and said "A tortilla??? How do they get their kids to eat a tortilla, my kids won't eat tortillas! What kind of kid eats a tortilla????"
I'm like, uhhhh, the kids of the people who mow your acres of grass, fix your roof, do your laundry, and clean your house. They actually have families too and they don't live on multimillion dollar estates.
Good grief, it's been 20 years and I still remember that lady like yesterday.

If you are a nursing professor in the DC area, then you know that many of our nurses taking care of our sickest population are also immigrants. I was a nurse manager at a major DC hospital and most of my staff were immigrants. Legal status verified by HR, not always a full US citizen at time of hire. Happy to have them with the chronic nursing shortage.

So then you are also aware of the ramifications of our own US leadership admitting they made an error and sent someone out and then defying a Supreme Court order to facilitate their return - and what this means for future cases when whoops! Legal immigrants are sent out before basic due process has occurred.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

You guys are crazy the Reagan judge literally said that this is dangerous because without due process there is no assurance that US citizens won’t be deported.

This guy had due process. They did not deport the wrong person. They deported someone who was eligible for deportation.
The judge has a point, that the government can't be picking up citizens and deporting them, but he missed the point that the district judge isn't doing what the Supreme Court ordered.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

9 Supreme court justices disagree but I am sure you know better

The Supreme Court said treat him as if you hadn't made the mistake. They didn't say he required more due process.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

You guys are crazy the Reagan judge literally said that this is dangerous because without due process there is no assurance that US citizens won’t be deported.

This guy had due process. They did not deport the wrong person. They deported someone who was eligible for deportation.
The judge has a point, that the government can't be picking up citizens and deporting them, but he missed the point that the district judge isn't doing what the Supreme Court ordered.

You did not read the latest Appeals court ruling, written by a very conservative Regan appointee, Federalist Society judge. Catch up. Read that and get back to us.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

9 Supreme court justices disagree but I am sure you know better

The Supreme Court said treat him as if you hadn't made the mistake. They didn't say he required more due process.

The supreme court said to facilitate his return and Trump is playing semantics

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

9 Supreme court justices disagree but I am sure you know better

The Supreme Court said treat him as if you hadn't made the mistake. They didn't say he required more due process.

The supreme court said to facilitate his return and Trump is playing semantics

The Supreme Court said facilitate his release from custody.
They didn't say return to US.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

9 Supreme court justices disagree but I am sure you know better

The Supreme Court said treat him as if you hadn't made the mistake. They didn't say he required more due process.

The supreme court said to facilitate his return and Trump is playing semantics

The Supreme Court said facilitate his release from custody.
They didn't say return to US.

" The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"